What fighter's come closest to perfection?

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I think Frazier lacked two things , a good right hand and durability,his career was very short at the top ,and the only real big puncher he met used him as a yo yo.Ali stated Frazier was not hard to hit , and judging by his face after their trio of fights I would agree, so his head movement might not be as evasive as you suggest.
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Here' two who rank with SRR and SRL .imo.
    Eder Jofre
    Benny Leonard
     
  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Come to Hagler and he was murder. The fly in the ointment? He could struggle with good movers.
     
  4. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hearns at his peak was the perfect fighter. No flaws

    Even greater than Tommy was Hagler at his peak and even slightly past it.

    Robinson from the 1940s and Benny leonard from the 20s.

    Part of me wants to make the claim of Ali but a better choice would be Robinson.

    Roy Jones was the latest of the perfect fighters.

    And that is the list of perfect fighters.
     
  5. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That was leonard's problem (see Hearns 1 & Norris)
     
  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Here we go again .Leonard's problem ,as you put it ,was that he was shot.
    Hearns was NOT A GOOD MOVER, he sometimes fell over his own feet ,his footwork was his weakness in fact.
     
  7. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No, that was Hagler's problem. If you were truly knowledegable of the facts you would know that Hagler never had another pro fight and already scheduled to retire. Leonard was never interested in fighting him before remember?

    As further proof, MMH carried only one of 3titles (no longer undisputed champ)

    What say you now?

    and you keep forgetting, I am the only person on the board that watched hagler in previous sparring sessions two weeks before the bout and have the photo to prove it. What proof of Leonard's slide do you have? You have none.
     
  8. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No? Who was it outboxing Leonard in that first fight? It is well know Tommy was more than just a threat with his right hand.

    Surely he must have had some ability to outmanuver opponents if people keep bringing up the fact that he should have boxed marvin. He had that ability and showed it in the Leoanrd, Benitez fights.
     
  9. McGrain

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    1 - Frazier did have a useful right hand for reasons detailed in the thread. It wasn't great, but it was very handy for a swarming fighter.

    2 - You can have great head movement AND get busted by great fighters if you are constantly moving forwards
     
  10. mcvey

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    You with the inside info ? Thats a laugh .I saw Hearns as a skinny amatuer boxing in England when you were still in nappies/diapers.
    Hearns had very good hand speed and boxing ability ,he did not have good footwork,as Emmanual Steward has stated.I cant be arsed to get into an argument with a bigot who has a fixation on Terry Norris,and hates SRL.
    Leonard lost to Norris because he was not only over the hill ,but halfway up the otherside as any objective observer would tell you.If you were in Hagler's camp as a trainer I wouldnt give you any credence ,you disqualify yourself as someone who can .1 read fights and. 2 discern the attributes of respective fighters ,by your ridiculous statements .NO ONE takes you seriously on this forum ,and I am annoyed at myself for giving you even this brief time, I dont debate with fan boys .
     
  11. PowerPuncher

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    Move his head in a none timeable fashion, not defensively good enough to be near perfection
     
  12. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    There isnt such a thing as a perfect fighter, but:

    Robinson, Leonard, Mayweather Jr, Whitaker, Duran
     
  13. JohnThomas1

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    I'll nominate Wilfredo Gomez out of those not mentioned. Not many realise what a great fighting machine he was in his early days. He'd been champ for more than four years and made more than a dozen successful defenses of his crown, all via stoppage. I'd veture to say he was close to having it all. As years went by he neglected defense and brawled much more. At his best tho his defense and slipping of punches was eye opening.
     
  14. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sure you did. Out of all the amateurs you watched in England, the unknown Hearns happened to stand out. :nono Even if I believed you, what does this have to do with Hagler being on his last legs? :huh

    And why dont you just answer the question instead of giving all the bull? How did Tommy outbox Wilfred and Leonard, both of who were boxers, if he himself did not have good footwork?

    Tommy was underdeveloped as one could see in the leonard fight, but nevertheless did a job on him and the next time Leonard ran into such an opponent, it was an easy job to exploit his particular weakness of being unable to hit a moving target.
     
  15. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maybe you just dont realize that he wasnt. The way he was demolished by Sanchez makes one call into question the quality of his opponents.