What fighters do you feel are unfairly criticized here?

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  1. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I have a few of my own, but what fighters from the past do you feel are unfairly derided? Who do you tend to stick up for that no one else seems to?

    Ray Mancini is one for me. I roll my eyes everytime someone calls him a "clubfighter" here. That tells me about everything I need to know about their level of knowledge. They're parroting what they've read before because they think it's fashionable to dismiss that which was popular at one time. It's hip and chic, you see. It's also brainless.

    Anyone seeing him shut out two-time champion Ramirez (who was very good) and extend the great Arguello the way he did, leading on points until late in the fight would have to admit no clubfighter on earth is going to be able to pull that off. Mnacini wasn't a great fighter, I'm not saying that; I'm merely saying there's room there for a lot more respect than I feel he's received.
     
  2. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thank you!
     
  3. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I disagree with you about Mancini. I've seen just about all of his fights. He was certainly above clubfighter, but he was not a hall of fame caliber fighter. There were many lightweights between 82-84 that could have beaten him and Bramble eventually got the shot. Examine his record as WBA champ. He fought bums basically. Except for Bramble.
     
  4. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maybe Bobby Czyz, Eusebio Pedroza, especially when it comes to Sanchez.
     
  5. salsanchezfan

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    That's cool, we can certainly disagree........I might ask of those "many lightweights" who were around at the time, who might have beat him?

    I would also probably agree that given a strict criteria of "greatness" (whatever that means) he doesn't belong in the HOF, but in reading your comment, I don't know that we're that far apart in our rating of him.........I think he was a pretty good fighter who fell short of real greatness, but most champions fall into that category.
     
  6. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    To a extent, yes, but he was a talented fighter.
     
  7. salsanchezfan

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    To a VERY great extent, but I love the filthy ******* as well. Lot of fun to watch. I was rooting for him to beat McGuigan. Didn't work out so well for me.
     
  8. Titan1

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    Same here, he was at the end of his rope, however, but Eusebio was something else.
     
  9. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pedroza was a very good fighter and champion. Sanchez-Pedroza would have bee a superfight in 1981-1982. I don't think Sanchez would have been bothered by Pedroza's elbows and low blows the way LaPorte and Lockridge were.

    Let's not kid ourselves. Pedroza got away with murder in the LaPorte fight. I can't think of any reason he was not DQ'd other than the WBA bought off the ref.
     
  10. salsanchezfan

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    He really let himself get carried away in that fight, yeah. Aside from the third round, where Laporte really shook him up, it was completely unnecessary, which is what makes it somewhat mystifying. He had the fight going away. The ref should have been thrown out of boxing forever.
     
  11. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's probably true, but let's not hold him as the epitome of dirty fighting, there were definitley others.
     
  12. Rock0052

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    Perhaps not unfairly criticized, but I feel the middleweight era from the 30's to the beginning of WWII as a whole gets sold short, if not flat out ignored (outside of Steele, who's rightly gotten his due).
     
  13. janitor

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    I would put Jess Willard right at the top of the list.

    His main crime seems to be making Jack Dempsey look good.
     
  14. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A bit of a boring answer, but it's hands down the two fighters considered most mainstream and "liberal media darlings": Ali and Leonard. There really is no comparison.

    Tbf, unlike for instance Willard and Mancini they also get a lot of appreciation.
     
  15. GoldenHulk

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    Maybe I'm wrong but Tommy Morrison and Shannon Briggs get criticized a lot while guys like Frank Bruno and Joe Bugner get a pass on a lot of things.