What fighters from the past would you favour against Jon Jones

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  1. Eye of Timaeus

    Eye of Timaeus Active Member Full Member

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    I see Werdum,Fedor,Velasquez and Lesnar all beating him.
     
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  2. royjonesfan

    royjonesfan Member booted Full Member

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    In my opinion
    -Brock Lesnar - no chance
    -Prime Fedor - possibly, but I still give the edge to Prime Jones
    At LHW - no one really
    At HW - Francis if he gets a lucky shot, Stipe Miocic slight chance, maybe prime JDS or Cain

    I still favor Jones againt all of them, but those I mentioned might have a chance
     
  3. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    Plenty. Cro Cop was practically a small heavyweight, Jones get knocked out. Jones success and hype ultimately comes from facing washed up, past prime Lightheavy weight legends that were small enough to reach the185 pound weight classes, while Jones himself is a small heavyweight masquerading as a Lightheavy with massive reach, and his deadly eye pokes.
     
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  4. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jones lost the first Gustafsson fight. Let's be honest here. Jones is not unbeatable you just need the size and skills to deal with him. As such the great heavies of the past and present have a great shot at beating him. Jones could have fought Miocic at HW if he wanted to but is instead content on reigning in a weak division instead of truly challenging himself.
     
  5. DONT B SCARED

    DONT B SCARED Pimpin Aint Easy Full Member

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    Jones is a far better fighter then Miocic and imo when fit he could beat him anytime he wanted to,with no need to rush for Jones considering more options for him at light-heavy if he waits.
    Jones has at least 5 years possibly at the top of the sport and any move to Heavyweight will likely be permanent one and would be better off next year sometime after he takes care of couple of young challengers,including a potential fight against Adesanya in the next 12 months after he defends his middleweight belt couple of times.
    Jones v Adesanya is bigger then any potential fight for Jones against Miocic which would be better and bigger next year after Miocic potentially beats Cormier again,proving the last fight was no fluke or if he loses to Cormier,he goes on a streak regaining his title and proves he's the top dog of the Heavyweight division that offers few attractive options for Jones and looks weaker then the light heavyweight division he currently rules over,a win over Reyes putting him in the record books as the UFC fighter with most title fight wins.
    I got a ton of respect for Miocic and his toughness,after being KOd by Cormier in their 1st fight as well as overcoming being dominated again by him in the early rounds of the rematch, before going on to win the title back when most gave him little chance, but I feel that Cormier won't make the same mistakes and will gets his revenge and retires as heavyweight champ,while Miocic may struggle to get the title back from the likes of Curtis Blaydes.
     
  6. shanemfr

    shanemfr Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As much as i despise Jones as a person, the other so called greats were also juiced..Cro cop lol he was roided af, the bloke that was beaten by slow fat ****s in Hunt and nelson when he was on the juice, Jones would pick him up and pile drive him then ground and pound or submit..It would be a Alex v Jones 2, the height and reach is already on Jones side let alone the skill ...Alex didn't win the first fight,was close but was out done when it mattered

    .Be fair dont get hatred in the way don't say other guys were shot when they were beat, they were all juiced as well then they looked like **** once testing came along or retired.
    I don't like Jones but the others were on juice, and the juiced jones does things to them that is off the charts, all of them natural Jones probably still gets it done with speed and cardio, the other ex juiced greats stand there and like Anthony Smith have no clue how to stop this guy coming at me or gas out.
     
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  7. Greco

    Greco Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No doubt Jones is skilled as they come, but there is a reason he doesn't want to go up and fight at heavyweight.
     
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  8. Grips

    Grips New Member Full Member

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    Brock: Not a chance, shouldn't even be a question

    Werdum: While he would provide some trouble for Jones, I see a peak performance Jones outhustling Werdum on the feet and in the wrestling if it goes there

    Fedor: Fedor has always been known to be a bit chinny especially later in his career and I think Jones' unorthodox attacks and superior wrestling will be able to neutralize Fedor and possibly finish him


    Velasquez: Definitely has the best chance of the fighters listed and has a very real chance of taking Jones out. He has the cardio, work rate, and striking skills to neutralize him, though I also see Jones pulling through and edging Cain out over 5 rounds

    Edit: When it comes to old legends beating him, I really don't see any that come to mind other than Cain.
     
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  9. Grips

    Grips New Member Full Member

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    I think that is downplaying Jones' accomplishments a whole ton. To say size and "skills" (whatever that means) is all you need is misrepresenting Jon's fighting ability. Sure, Jon's success is partly due to his height and massive reach advantage, but thinking that it is all he has in his skillset is completely false to me.

    His wrestling is on par with Daniel Cormier who is one of the best wrestlers to ever compete in MMA, his striking has neutralized and even done in some of the great fighters of the light heavyweight division, and his speed, timing, and accuracy is off the charts.

    Oh, and when it comes to the 2 Gustafsson fights, the first one can be considered a draw at most. It was close, but it was very clear that Jones had outhustled and edged out Gus by the end of the fight. And if there was any question on who was the better fighter, the second fight was a clinic and ended with Jones completely dominating Gus with his huge grappling advantage.

    When it comes to the top heavyweights of today and back then, I don't see very many beating Jones... certainly not Stipe or prime Cro Cop.
     
  10. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    Delusional posts from this ALT, keep on worshiping a scumbag that runs over pregnant ladies.
     
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    Grips New Member Full Member

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    "ALT" haha. It's great when people enjoy belittling the accomplishments of great fighters because they personally do not like their personality. Continue hating brother :)
     
  12. DONT B SCARED

    DONT B SCARED Pimpin Aint Easy Full Member

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    Jones is clearly the best light-heavy of all time and while I wouldn't say he is unbeatable, I would say he is better then all those suggested fighters with the only doubt being if he is able to deal with the move up to fight the bigger guys.
    Jones was definitely lucky to get the decision in the last fight but totally disagree with those saying Gus definitely beat Jones in the 1st fight,with the majority of people scoring it for Jones including almost all the MMA media.
     
  13. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    Jones would have lost to a Prime Vitor Belfort, Randy Couture, Shogun, Lyoto Machida, Rampage,, Wanderlei, Chuck Liddell, Lil Nog, Henderson, etc, at lightheavy he never faced these greats at their peak, period, they were already on the decline when Jones got to the few on my list. Nobody gives Kostya Tszu credit for beating Chavez, and for obvious reasons.
     
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  14. Furey

    Furey EST & REG 2009 Full Member

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  15. Somali Sanil

    Somali Sanil Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Not true, unless your judging him past prime.
    He wont even challenge himself at Heavy now, after proving himself at 205 against admittedly past prime fighters Cormier excluded, and you think he steps in with a prime Fedor ?? His skills are good but he gets rag dolled in this one and loads from the past at Heavy negate his skills with true Heavyweight strength and power combined with skill..And he was juiced that badly, they couldn't hide it either. Without the juice an eye pokes, he struggles to get past Cormier imo too
     
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