What fighters ...

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  1. Loewe

    Loewe internet hero Full Member

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    ... do you often defend even though you don´t think much of them because you think they deserve better than they get?

    And what fighters do you often critizise even though you think highly of them because they are often too highly regarded?

    For me it would be Ruiz and Ottke in the first one and Toney, Jones and PBF in the second.
     
  2. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    #1 The road warriors. Their records are always a lot worse and it's a tough sport to make a living giving up all the advantages time and time again. The problem is many of the big named guys--especially in recent times--have never worn those shoes.

    #2 I guess would be the 1 dimensional guys that are big punchers but had glaring weaknesses that somehow get overlooked because people just love the ko's. Not the well rounded Hearns type guys with tools but the others==like Julian Jackson/Earnie Shavers/Roger Mayweather/Ruddock/Cuevas/Cooney/etc.
     
  3. teeto

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    I normally give Trinidad as much credit as possible when people think he can be blown away by some guys and outfought by others, i believe trading with Tito to be a foolish decision. He never really learned to cut off the ring at the top level, you gotta have top class footwork to get by him, and use it on the outside. Not the case for everyone, obviously i'd take Robinson over him in a shootout, though if i was in his corner i'd probably tell him to box him as he could and there's less risk!! Kidding, i wouldnt dream of telling Robinson what to do!!
     
  4. Thread Stealer

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    Naseem Hamed. His competition wasn't great, but he did beat a whole load of title-holders and contenders at featherweight, and deserves more credit than the "he fought bums and got humiliated when he stepped up" treatment he often gets.

    Antonio Tarver. Not just a "one-hit wonder". He beat some other contenders as well, and deserved wins in both fights with Glen Johnson IMO.

    Hasim Rahman. Also not just a "one-hit wonder". He deserved the win over long-time contender David Tua, and beat Corrie Sanders when Sanders was younger and more active than when he became a bigger name.

    Aaron Pryor. HBO's Legendary Nights has turned this great-but-underachieving fighter into a god.

    Shane Mosley. His resume of wins outside of DLH (the second win should be a no-contest) is fairly weak compared to other greats of the era, he gets more of a pass than almost any other steroid using athlete because he's a nice guy with a friendly smile, and his boxing skills have always been overrated. Being fast doesn't mean you have terrific boxing skills.

    Gerald McClellan. The "what could have been" fighters tend to get overrated.
     
  5. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    no way hasim rahman was better than super southpaw freak of nature ATG corrie sanders!!
     
  6. Thread Stealer

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    Vitali Klitschko. Not that I think that highly of him, but he was a capable fighter.

    But my god, do his delusional fans come up with all sorts of things to defend him and overrate his achievements.
     
  7. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    Just some examples:

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    Ruiz
    DLH
    SRL


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    Klitschko´s
    Ibeabuchi
    Ayala
    PBF
    Hearns
    JCC
     
  8. marciano1952

    marciano1952 Active Member Full Member

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    Jeffries
    Willard
    Carnera
    Hearns



    Johnson
    PBF
    RJJ
    Duran
     
  9. Luigi1985

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    Very good examples, I agree with all of them except Hearns, because many people here think head-to-head he´s unbeatable, IMO there are some fighters at 147 lbs and 154 lbs who could beat him...
     
  10. marciano1952

    marciano1952 Active Member Full Member

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    some of the other places I visit dont thank so highly of him LOL I havent really been here long enought to se how he fits in here
     
  11. Thread Stealer

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    I don't like the "Hearns lost his big fights" argument.

    Benitez, Cuevas, and Duran were not exactly Tuesday Night fights at the Blue Horizon.
     
  12. Bokaj

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    I guess Roy Jones. I don't care for him that much and see why people feel he left much to want, but he was very dominant in his prime - like few else actually. And I think the victories over Hopkins and Toney are astonishing, if not that exciting.