What fights has Canelo

Canelo always gets favoured on the cards, that's why people have a problem.

He will never lose a close fight on points.

 

my question is why do you assume GGG backed up Canelo, personally I feel like in the mid rounds GGG put on a good showing but clearly Canelo from the opening tip his game plan was to try to walk GGG into counters and did that effectively the opening quarter of the fight..we’ve seen Canelo box and we’ve seen Canelo brawl style wise he’s an aggressive counter puncher and only becomes a front foot brawler so to speak when the opponent is either A. already beaten and he’s trying to get them outta there or B. Trying there hardest not to engage so he has to chase them.. if baffles me how in multiple fights we’ve seen Canelo play the counter puncher role but in the first fight with GGG his natural style is ignored and instead and people say Golovkin pushed him back when that was Canelos game plan to begin with?

 

Mayweather and if you answer anything else, you're an emotive, agenda-driven fool.

 

And the way GGG fought in those middle rounds, particularly in rounds 7-9 was commendable and without that comeback from GGG after a slow start, we wouldn't even be having this debate now would we. This works both ways. I just don't understand why we can't just agree that it was a close fight that could be reasonably viewed either way. I'm not here saying it's my way or the highway. I get why people scored it for GGG. To you GGG didn't even have to come back in the middle rounds because he was already well ahead by the middle rounds as according to you GGG won 3 of the first 4 rounds which I find absurd.

Frankly I don't know what fight you were watching to give GGG 5 out of the first 6 rounds. But again, I'm not here to say you're wrong, that's your opinion and I'm trying to understand how you see it that way. If you're not willing to take the time to explain yourself, that's fine but understand that I'm providing specifics and the least you can do is take a look at what I'm pointing out to you so you can verify what I'm saying. I don't expect you to change your scorecard or anything but I do think you can at least acknowledge what I'm saying and try to understand where I'm coming from. I'm being real about this, this isn't just some pointless argument.

The sport is subjective, I'm well aware of that. You come away with it focusing on GGG's jab, but what about power punching? What about Canelo neutralizing GGG, making GGG respect him with his power, isn't it important who lands the harder cleaner shots round after round? What about all the times that Canelo was controlling the round, leaning forward, baiting GGG into punching, then pulling back and making GGG whiff. That happened A LOT in the first fight. Making your opponent miss wildly matters when you're scoring a round. And I got to be honest, Canelo's jab was far stiffer than GGG's jab in that first fight outside of a couple of rounds like Round 7 where GGG landed some stiff jabs. I really pay attention to this stuff and I know what I'm talking about.

You call GGG moving forward and chasing Canelo ring generalship, I would argue Canelo was the ring general, Canelo was clearly the matador in that first fight, and GGG was the bull coming forward. Canelo was using his footwork and movement to set traps, and it was working, he was making GGG close the distance, causing GGG to miss punches. And if you doubt it, just listen to some of the commentary from HBO talking about how well Canelo was doing, particularly in Round 3. They made comments like that because that's what they're seeing. It's different than a commentator just saying "Good shot by GGG" you can tell when they're guessing. When they go into long winded conclusions about what Canelo was doing, how GGG was breathing hard, etc that's not guessing, they said that because it's abundantly clear what was happening. And frankly I don't think you were really paying attention to the finer points of boxing if you gave all those rounds to GGG. But what I have a problem with is the disrespect some posters have against posters like me who actually pay attentoon to the finer details of a round, and spend the time to bring this to your attention, so you can take a closer look yourself, only to be attacked for bringing some much needed attention to a fight that has largely been misinterpreted by the masses.

 

He gets favored on the cards because he consistently performs better than his opponents round after round. He has better defense, he lands better harder punches, etc. That's why he gets favored on the cards.

 

does the fact that every opponent he’s faced since the Mayweather loss has completed changed there style when facing Canelo come into play? This man turned Lara until a track star and turned Kovalev and GGG into jabbers, made smith quit fighting fighters have they worst showing vs Canelo for the most part yet that gets overlooked

 

How about Saunders? He made Billy Joe so scared, Billy wouldn't fight unless Canelo agreed to a super large ring lmao. But your point is well taken, before he fought GGG, GGG fans kept telling us how devastating a puncher GGG was, how Canelo's gonna be in so much trouble if he ever went back to the ropes. Canelo stayed on the ropes vs GGG like it was no big deal, like he was proving a point. GGG the devastating power puncher was reduced to a jabber. To this day we hear about how impressed people were by how great GGG's jab was vs Canelo lol. His JAB, meanwhile Canelo earned his respect by out-power punching GGG, and not just in terms of punch stats, but in terms of heavier cleaner punching. And people still to this day find ways to completely ignore this, and continue to talk about GGG's jab which supposedly won him all these rounds. Meanwhile, if we're honest, while GGG was more active with the jab, Canelo while more selective with the jab was timing GGG with the jab and landing the stiffer jabs. Canelo made GGG one dimensonal while Canelo was more active loading up on big punches and landing big punches. To GGG fans, this meant that GGG was so impressive with the jab. Basically that was all GGG could do, was throw out a weak jab and land an occasional decent punch, while Canelo was the one putting on him the heavier work round after round.

 

That's a very dumb respons tbh , Lara was always a track star whenever he felt the other guy could hurt him even a bit.

And GGG getting limited to the jab is massively overstated , the first fight had a 114-110 power punch edge in favor of Alvarez and the second 143-116 , this isn't getting limited to just a jabber at all and if you count the power punches to the head it's obvious that GGG has an edge because he was always more of a headhunter than Canelo .

Kovalev argument is right but then again he was shot to bits and when he got touched in the body by Yarde in the 8th he looked like he was gonna get knocked out so there's that.

And Callum Smith? no one believes he'd do anything against Canelo when he wasn't able to utilize his reach in the Ryder fight where he was beaten but still got a gift.

Canelo's a great fighter no doubt but him being favored on the cards is one of least endearing things about him and turns off a lot of people .

 

@lufcrazy Here's an example of what we were talking about earlier, how often fans cite compubox #s as fact without even realizing it. This poster is arguing that Canelo "only" had a 114-110 power punch edge in the first fight, this makes it seem like GGG landed about the same # of power shots as Canelo. Well a lot of those supposed 110 power punches that GGG got credit for were either weak punches compared to the heavier more impactful power shots Canelo landed, that or a lot of those punches didn't land at all, but were magically given to GGG post-fight to inflate his #s as I proved was the case in Round 5 in post #49.

Conteh'sLeft seems to be taking them seriously here. He's using the manipulated Compubox #s that you said were nonsense to prove a point, that hey the idea that GGG really was limited to the jab was "massively overstated" because hey look at the Compubox #s. Now do you see what I was talking about earlier when I talked about how misleading the Compubox #s were from Canelo GGG 1 and how those Compubox #s shape fans perceptions of what happened?

But there are weight classes for a reason. It didn't matter that Kovalev was shot, Canelo was just a little guy, he had no chance fighting any legit LHW. That's not his weight class, remember.

How quickly people forget that BEFORE Callum fought Ryder and struggled with him, when Canelo fought Rocky Fielding, that win didn't really count because Canelo needed to fight a Real World Champ at 168, like Callum Smith who was the bonafide legit SMW Champ. If Canelo beat Callum Smith, that would mean something, remember, but Fielding he was just a Regular Champ. And by the way a lot of people picked Callum Smith to destroy Canelo when that fight was first talked about.

Him being favored on the cards is a direct result of how great of a fighter he is. How is being favored on the cards something that makes a fighter less endearing? So if he lost more decisions people would like him more? That is backwards logic. How judges score matches have nothing to do with the fighter. Judges judge, fighters fight. Canelo's so unpopular with the fans because he wins too many fights, but he's a great fighter you know, but damn those judges score so many fights for him, even though he's such a great fighter. That's why people dislike him so much. What?

 

Are you aware that people are using that same compubox power punch to state the outlanded in power punches statistic ?

At least try to be consistent when you're arguing for your favorite fighter , anyone with no idea of compubox stats will say that Canelo landed the flashier shots whereas GGG was the more consistent guy throughout but to say that he was limited only to his jab is dishonest, that's my point , no one cares too much about compubox anyway it just provides a rough idea how the fight progressed and sometimes no idea at all.

 

And that only supports the idea that people still rely on Compubox a lot to base their views of what happened in a fight, which is the opposite of what lufcrazy was saying that "no one takes them seriously". Obviously a lot of people do in fact take Compubox numbers seriously, including yourself here by referencing them to disprove that GGG was limited to the jab, that was my point earlier, that those compubox #s have a lot of influence on how fans perceptions on who dominated who in what areas, jabs, power punches, body shots etc.

^^I agree with this part.

But your point is that you're saying it's dishonest to say he was limited only to his jab because you're citing the Compubox #s which had power punch #s close to even in the first fight. So you're relying on Compubox #s which is my point, that fans rely on these numbers to prove or disprove what people say happened. On the one hand you say look at the compubox #s they prove that GGG wasn't limited to just the jab, but then you say wait but no one cares too much about Compubox, it just provides a rough idea or "no idea at all". LOL you're all over the place, first your using Compubox to disprove the idea that GGG was limited to the jab but then you're saying maybe they don't mean anything. You highlighted the problem of relying on Compubox #s better than I ever could lol.

 

Again more endless drivel, it's just spin, spin, spin with you it's really strange. Manipulative, deceitful spin artist. You're clearly too invested in Canelo to be objective, there's literally no point anyone even communicating with you re Canelo as you're either mentally ill or employed by his team.

 

Rough idea as in a fight like this where the punching patterns of fighters are clear, GGG likes to jab and Canelo being a counterpuncher relies on power shots.

No idea as in a Shawn Porter or Jose Ramirez fight, both lost their fights clearly to Ugas and Taylor respectively but the close punch stats might mislead some of the viewers who might think the fight was close.

 

I don't know where you come up with this stuff. I've tried to be reasonable with you yet you continue to paint a picture about me or what I'm about. I liked you better when you would actually be up for debates about rounds but something happened to you in the middle of that round 11 of the rematch debate where you just ran away in the middle of the round and ever since then you turned into some kind of Canelo princess fairy. If anyone's too invested in Canelo, it's the poster who has a raging Princess photo of Canelo in his avatar. With that kind of avatar you're the last one who should be lecturing other posters about not being objective when it comes to Canelo.

 

Exactly, this is what I wrote.

This is his response to the point.