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What fights have you watched today?

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by lufcrazy, Jan 28, 2017.



  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    So I've finally started working my way through UFC (I own the first 50 events on DVD) and noticed there wasn't a thread about this kinda thing like there is in classic.

    Anyways just watched the UFC 1 full event. Can't believe how brutal it was, **** me.

    Gracie is beast, I think he was the lightest man there but aside from Shamrock no one knew how to defend his takedowns or compete with him on the mat.

    Shame we never saw him in the modern version of the sport during his prime (he was already 26 here and was quoted a ridiculous Jiu Jitsu record of like 51-1 or something like that.

    Very good event this although it isn't MMA it's a competition between different Martial Arts.

    Gonna watch UFC 2 next.

    A thread like this should be stickied for if anyone wants to discuss fights they've just watched, might make the forum more active?
     
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    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Just watched UFC2.

    Pat Smith looked a right beast in there but again he came up against someone with a superior ground game and he couldn't defend the takedown. Gracie dominated again.

    What an incredible champion this man was.

    How do you defend against his takedowns? He was throwing 200 pound plus men to the ground like they were nothing and no one was able to defend his submission attempts.

    I've been thinking a bit about this actually. Gracie must do sparring with other Jiu Jitsu men who can defend such attempts and counter in style.

    If he was able to beat them is there anyone today in the MW division he couldn't beat?
     
  3. drenlou

    drenlou The Real KING OF THE HILL! Full Member

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    I have all the classics on DVD, and some of the earlier ones on VHS.. The newer ones on DVD of course. But yeah that UFC when it first started could be brutal. I remember some white guy fight this big so moan wrestler and he would just slap and kick, and he knocked him on his ass. I can't remember his name.
     
  4. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That was Gerard Gordeau vs. Teila Tuli! One of Tulis teeth was literally lodged on Gordeaus foot. Gordeau was a really dirty fighter, fish hooked some poor Japanese guys eye and as a result he lost his vision. Believe it or not the Jap actually fought through it for the win!
     
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    drenlou The Real KING OF THE HILL! Full Member

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    No, it was Keith Hackney who I was talking about, lol.. yeah that dude was known as the giant killer because he beat up big dudes in the UFC..
     
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    UnleashtheFURY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Don't think he ever fought a Samoan dude. Did you mean Sumo? He fought Emmanuel Yarborough who was probably the heaviest guy to ever compete in MMA. He was black not Samoan though lol.
     
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    drenlou The Real KING OF THE HILL! Full Member

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    Yeah, that's who it was.. I was off.
     
  8. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Just watched UFC 3.

    Gracie for the first time looks human. Even when injured he still locks in that arm bar to win though. What a legend this man is.

    Quoted BJJ record of 58-1 no idea if that is good or not but he's still unbeaten here.

    With Gracie and Shamrock both withdrawing to injuries the stage is set for the wildcard to tale home the glory.

    Congrats Jennum.

    Decided I'm gonna do a retrospective ATG list, like in boxing my criteria is winnability based on the eye test.

    So far it looks like this

    Gracie
    Shamrock
    Jennum

    I know it's all gonna change soon but this seems fun to do.
     
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    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    UFC 4 just finished.

    Again Royce took the honours but he came up against some tough opposition here. A quality striker in Hackney and a quality wrestler in Severn.

    I must say this is the event that's impressed me the most with him. Wish he wouldn't wear the fukin Gi thing.

    Not sure I'd favour any of todays WW over him.

    Current ATG list

    Gracie
    Shamrock
    Severn
    Jennum
    Hackney
     
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    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    UFC 5

    I see now why people say the sport moved on. I see but I don't agree, well I do agree to an extent.

    By now people have realised how strong BJJ is and have started working on the ground game, wrestlers have realised how important striking is and have worked on their stand up game.

    Severn looks like a complete fighter by now, huge striking power and world class grappling and submission skills. Taktarov is not far behind him, by far the two stand out talents in the event.

    The superfight was enthralling. I couldn't take my eyes off it. The two men were coming from different strategies and the time limit was a hindrance to both. Gracie wanted to prove his p4p superiority and capitalise any mistakes for a submission attempt. Shamrock wanted to use his size advantage to wear Gracie down and punish him late on.

    I mean yeah Shamrock showed you could neutralise Gracie, but he did that with strength, I couldn't see any WW fighter replicating those strategies against him. For me Gracie comes out the better man from a modern context.

    ATG list now stands at

    Gracie
    Shamrock
    Severn
    Taktarov
    Benetau

    I've removed Hackney and Jennum as they are already out of their depth imo Hackney had no ground game and would get eliminated early on. Jennum was a flash in the pan who took an opportunity and got his name in the history books but there isn't enough to keep him there. The 5 selected are the best 5 fighters I've seen in UFC history thus far.
     
  11. lufcrazy

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    Watching UFC 6 as I type.

    Tank Abbot, **** me I forgot about him. Just absolutely splattered someone in round 1. Pit fighting, a mix of every style using whatever works. Is he the first true MMA fighter lol.
     
  12. BCS8

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    Nice series, Lufcrazy.

    I liked Hackney as well. The event where he used Joe Son's nuts as a heavy bag was lulz, especially because Son is a real SOB and deserved it. Taktarov was also really good.

    I get all those early events confuserated in my mind. Not sure if they were UFC but keep an eye out for Marco Ruas, Mario Sperry, Zinoviev, Conan Silviera and friends.

    My all time favourite "old guy" was Igor Vovchanchyn.

    He had some crazy, crazy fights. Check out his fight against the very tough Nick Nutter. He actually TKO'd Nutter with headbutts from below ... after he tapped out earlier but the referee hadn't seen it. There was also another massacre againsta dude called Edson Carvahlo, who apparently was a "death touch" master. LOL turns out kickboxing > deathtouch by quite a lot. And then there was a tourney in the Ukraine where Igor took on, and beat, 3 x guys weighing over 280lb. Insane.
     
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    UFC 6

    Tank Abbot burst on the scene with two brutal knockouts and the most charismatic interviews we've seen so far.

    Taktarov proved his class though with a great display of striking, grappling and submission attacks. Very good display by him.

    Shamrock underlined his brilliance by beating the excellent Severn.

    With Gracie retired from contact fighting Shamrock had a chance to become the best MMA fighter in the world and he took it here.

    One thing I don't get in these early events, everyone taps when a choke is locked in, why not fight it and pass out?

    Anyways the list now looks like this

    Gracie
    Shamrock
    Severn
    Taktarov
    Abbot
    Benetau
     
  14. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Yeah I'm watching all the UFC events and key Pride ones alongside as they happen.

    Looking forward to seeing the rise of Sakuraba.

    More than that I'm understanding some context to the names and why they were rated as they were and how those ratings change over time.

    With MMA being such a new sport it's still young enough for an in depth analysis like this.
     
  15. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "Powers the last thing to go"

     
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