What former middleweight champion could of went up to lighheavy and heavyweight

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  1. cotto20

    cotto20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And won titles? the only man to do it was bob fitzimons. Name the champion you think they could of beat around that time

    Gerald mccellan could of beat virgil hill at lightheavyweight and then frank bruno at heavyweight

    Carlos monzon could of beat john conteh at lightheayweight and joe frazier at heavyweight(also heard monzon punched a past his prime fraizer all over the ring when they sparred when monzon was in new york)

    Any others?
     
  2. bxrfan

    bxrfan Sizzle Full Member

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    This man. . . . . .

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  3. Bad_Intentions

    Bad_Intentions Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :yep
     
  4. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Bruno could have KOd McLellan

    Monzon would have difficulty with Conteh its not a dead certainty he would beat him and then saying Monzon would beat Frazier :patsch
     
  5. OBCboxer

    OBCboxer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "Monzon would beat Frazier." You're a moron.
     
  6. Minotauro

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  7. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    ESB rumour has it Monzon handled Frazier in sparring but it is sparring the land where Tony Ayala and Howard Eastmen are the greatest fighters ever and yes it is an ESB rumour
     
  8. cotto20

    cotto20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fraizer was made for monzon he would be walking on to that right hand all night long
     
  9. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    If Charles got a shot at the MW and LHW titles he would have done it. Greb may have been able to do it against Dempsey (Maybe). Moore could have been a MW champ and reckoned the ref robbed him against Marciano in the first
     
  10. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Realisticaly?

    Lineal titles?

    Bob Fitzsimmons did it.

    Some earlier fighters could have done it if those divisions had existed Jem Mace held the British middleweight title (basicaly world title back then) and the British and world heavyweight titles.

    Tommy Burns could conceivably have done it. He was training for a fight for the middleweight title when he was offered the fight against Marvian Hart for the heavyweight title. He could also easily have claimed the light heavyweight title after he beat Philadelphia Jack O'Brien. He was basicaly three quaters of the way there.

    Sam Langford was scheduled to fight Stanley Ketchel for the middleweight title when the latter was murdered. He also beat Philadelphia Jack O'Brien in a catchweight fight while O'Brien was the light heavyweight champion.

    Harry Greb could have prety much helped himself to the lightheavyweight title if Carpintier had been stupid enough to give him a title shot. Beating Dempsey would have been a taller order but you never know.

    Mickey Walker might have done it if he had caught the right fighters on an off night at light heavyweight and heavyweight. He did hold Jack Sharkey to a draw.

    Ezzard Charles could virtualy helped himself to the light heavyweight title at his peak and it is not implausible that he could have won the middleweight title given the right oportunity at the right time.

    Roy Jones could and should have established lineage at middleweight and light heavyweight. If Jones had only dared to clock up a few losses he could have been rewarded with some legend making wins at heavyweight. Give him the right champion at the right time and who knows.

    In summary:
    Bob Fitzsimmons acomplishment probably never will be repeated now but it could and perhaps should have been repeated in the first half of the 20th century if certain champions had been forced to fight the best challengers available.
     
  11. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Stilistically, George Foreman is made for Willie Pep

    there is a huge size difference in both cases
     
  12. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Only the great Jim Toney really can do it............. Roy Jones was a "One Fight" wonder against Ruiz................. No other solid 160 pounder from before would have success at 200 or more pounds against stern opposition........... NO!!! Please don't spoon feed me all that horse**** about "Greb or Walker" from the 1920's............
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  13. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    It would be harder now IMO t establish a lineage at all 3 weights as the Heavyweight champions are so much bigger than before where some Heavyweights were 180lbs so tahts only 20lbs a difference. Now Middleweights would be fighting guys about 250lbs-300lbs thats about 100lbs a difference in weight.
     
  14. cotto20

    cotto20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Also they have sparred when monzon was in new york getting ready for tony licata, he gave fraizer a bit of a beating, but joe was past his prime
     
  15. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    any proof on this