What gift decisions did De La Hoya and Sugar Ray Leonard get?

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  1. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    These two were the "pretty boys" of their eras and extremely popular with likeable personalities. And those qualities make it easier for judges to lean their way.

    So what questionable or gift decisions did both fighters get during their careers?
     
  2. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    The controversial decisions that DLH has gotten in his favor are Whitaker, Quartey, and Sturm. Leonard got a controversial win over Hagler and a lucky draw against Hearns.

    Unlike Leonard, DLH has a couple of controversial losses on his resume (Mosley II, Trinidad).

    But Ali has them both beat in controversial wins.
     
  3. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think SRL said that even he thinks that Hearns won their 2nd fight. And that's saying A LOT.
     
  4. Suge Green

    Suge Green Boxing Junkie banned

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    Sturm was pure robbery...Nobody told Felix that he was supposed to sell the belt to DLH so Oscar could unify against Bernard...

    Leonard ran from Hagler all night, in a sad robbery...we lost a true all time great to that scandal.
     
  5. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I feel bad for Hagler because SRL being the ***** that he is never gave Hagler a rematch. And Hagler has said that he never once put on a boxing glove since that fight. That's a damm shame. It's like Hagler gave SRL his shot but SRL didn't return the favor.

    Hagler is one of my all time favorite fighters because he was a warrior.
     
  6. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Someone should have told Sturm that he could use another punch in a twelve round fight besides one jab at a time, and then literally run at the end of the twelfth. Sorry, both fighters looked like **** in this fight. Oscar looked like the Pilsbury dough boy and Sturm looked like an amateur who was shocked at himself for landing anything.

    Leonard/Hagler was a tight fight to score. Leonard stayed away from a boxer who would hurt him if he caught him but was scoring nonetheless. He had been retired five years and was fighting a murderer in the ring. Great job despite all that. The win is valid. Oh, yeah, Hagler was talking about retirment before that. He even claimed the reason Leonard won was because the boxing organization was trying to keep him in the game by forcing him to not retire by giving him a loss.

    Leonard should have lost to Hearns second fight.
    DLH should of lost to Whitaker (though Whitaker sucked here too, goofing around and hardly throwing). These are the only real two robberies I see. DLH's got some losses that were robberies though.
     
  7. Suge Green

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    If Sturm would have tried another punch he might not have won so convincingly. He won with a jab and not much else, that's how sorry DLH was that night.

    Sugar Nose Leonard was scared and did not win, call it close if you want...Ray lost fans that night.
     
  8. letsrun4it

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    IMO nobody can say Trinidad/DLH was correst and DLH/Sturm was incorrect....if thats how you view those two fights I think you are a DLH hater.

    I don't believe DLH got any GIFT decisions in his career...but this is the nature of someone so talented that he has only been CLEARLY beaten once by Hopkins.

    The only DLH fights that went to the cards I had him losing were SSM (the first time), PBF, and Quartey. I had a draw on the Sturm fight. I also had him winning the second time against shane and the fight against trinidad.

    As for Leonard...the Hagler decision is tough to figure out.
     
  9. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well, the "gift decision" thing is only valid in my book when a fighter is thoroughly dominated and then given the nod. I think a real gift decision was Chavez who did get dominated by Whitaker. The Quartey/DLH controversy is one I could never understand as DLH won the early rounds and gave Quartey two knock downs and then punished him in the corner for a good while. That is not domination by any means. Classic fight though, I stand by the official decision. I think it deserved a rematch but DLH at the time was moving very quickly from fight to fight trying to reach the top of the heap. In fact, had it not been for his overlooking Quartey and thinking of Trinidad I thought he would have knocked Quartey out by the seventh. His mistake was in hurting Quartey in the sixth and trying to finish him off there and then rather than waiting.
     
  10. Hagler was robbed like a Brinks truck, from Leonard, and i thought De LA Hoya was given the benefit of the doubt in the Whitaker fight, but also i though Oscar should have got the nod against Tito, oh well what comes around goes around.. :rasta
     
  11. 41fever

    41fever Boxing Addict Full Member

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    DLH should of won against TITO, BUT lost against QUARTEY and STURM.
     
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    41fever Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The last Mosley fight, I thought DLH won more rounds.

    The 1st DLH-MOSLEY fight was GREEAT!
     
  13. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You are right.
    The first Duran/Leonard fight and the first Mosley/DLH fight (both fights which Leonard and DLH loose) shows them at their absolute best. It is ironic that my favorite two fights of both guys are fights they loose.
     
  14. Amsterdam

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    DLH got gifts against Quartey, Sturm and Whitaker.

    Leonard got a gift draw against Hearns, I scored the Hagler bout for him, but that could have been a draw also. Didn't feel Hagler took it though, but Hearns definitely took the rematch.
     
  15. ROC

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    I agree that Pea did way too much clowing around and hardly landed anything throughout the fight and deserved to lose that fight. No way he even drew!:nono