What Happened in Reno, July 4, 1910

Even McVey admits this. Too bad Jeffries didn't fight him in 1905.

Hart defeated Johnson. Jeffries said if the public demands Hart vs Jeffries, he'd do it. The people of the times felt is was a mis-match and were not going to pay for another Jack Munroe like 2 round blow out.

Had Johnson defeated Hart, and there was a Reno like pursue for Jeffries ( $100,000 ), in my opinion he would have taken the fight. What a fighter says quickly changes when the money is up. Jeffries did mention Johnson by name a possible next opponent post Jack Munroe, which signals the color line can be complicated. It was breached when Jeffries four Hank Griffin as champion, Had Griffin won via stoppage, he's the next champion.

Griffin at the time had beaten Jack Johnson in 1901, the same year he faced Jeffries. Jeffries floored Griffin a few times in a 4 round match, signaling the distance at the time between him and Johnson.

 

By news reads and watching the film. Like I told you many times, Jeffries won round 4 and 9. you used to doubt this until I showed you. Johnson won 5 and 6. Many of the other rounds very close or even. The British press for example had Jeffries in the lead after 4 rounds.


If you take into account how fights were scored back then and the political climate, a draw if this was ten rounds is quite possible. Had it only been ten, it would have helped Jeffries as he was staring to gas early due to him being out of the ring for 6 years


You see, I answer your questions. My turn. What was the purse for Jack Johnson vs Battling Jim Johnson? You claim to know.

 

Jeffries stated directly before the Johnson v Hart fight that , "in the event of Johnson winning, which I expect him to do I will not fight him.I will never risk my title against a colored man. If Hart should win 'and there is sufficient demand for it I will be willing to meet him". How many declarations by Jeffries that he would never defend his crown against a black man have to be posted on this forum? I've posted about 20!
The Griffin bout was a 4 rds exhibition with Jeffries undertaking to stop Griffin or forfeit $100 which he had to do
You are full of it!

 

Yes I have it and at least one poster saw it. Mr. Liar if you want to bet a permeant ban, I can upload it or email it to a neutral 3rd party to judge with authority to ban, but then you never come back. Since you are a welcher the bet only counts if the Mod agrees to do it. I'm in! Are you????

Terms: I can prove is his name on it and 1,000s fights cataloged. You will also see comments such as who called the fight, the language it was called in, if the fight is in black and white, what type of film it was kine, video, film,
nitrate film
etc... and more. Another thing, who owns the rights to the fight is listed, meaning he'll never trade it publicly.

Klompton is detailed. What he says DOES NOT COUNT. Re-read that twice. He won't admit to anything. Me proving the above is all that matters to win. The list was sent to me by one of his many detractors, but I don't have to say by who.

Are we on Mr. Coward? Sack up for a change Tony, I'll color you gone!

If you paid attention Klompton pivoted by saying you must have my public list. LOL

 

You have said many times the first ten rounds were pretty even and that a draw was a possible result over that distance.


Simple question. Q How many rounds of the first ten have you seen to make this judgement?
This is the only question I asked you and you have ducked it! Will you answer it now?

 

Are you lying again? Like I said it would have to be a big purse, but it is a fact he did mention Johnson by name post Munore for his next title fight.

I offered you a bet. Read it. And also, if you can answer my question, what was the purse between Johnson and Johnson?

Also, when money is involved, its really not an exhibition. Its a live fight, with the champion's lineal title on the line.

 

3 Simple questions
1. Q Do you still claim to have seen the Langford v Hague fight?
Yes or No?
2. Q IF yes . What unique event happened in the ring just before the fight began?
3. Q Do you still claim to have seen the Lamotta v Fox fight? Yes or No?

 

LOL, I think I have your cornered in a bet, and not giving forth information. For the moment, I'll wait for you to reply to the numbers claims you made starting with what the purse was for Johnson vs Johnson.

What is proven is you don't watch much film. Whatever a books says, you'll latch on it if it suits your agenda!

 

COWARD, take my bet. I think its time for you to do something else with the remaining time you have. What's taking you so long to agree to terms?

To quickly answer one of your lame question, yes the fight LaMotta threw at MSG can be viewed on film. I have seen it, and others here likely have too. Its not that rare.

We've been over the Langford vs Hauge fight. You said yourself you saw it! It a usual tactic of yours, trying to go to a place where you know nothing can be proven and acting like your correct. I'm not going to comment on it anymore, but lord knows you need to win something as I kick your tail often here. Not wasting time on a fight I do not own and can't / won't upload.

 

I haven't seen it and neither has Ted Spoon whom you claimed said he had.
I pm'd him and he told me he has never suggested to you that he has seen the film and has no idea where you got that impression from so another lie from you.
Neither have you seen it there hasn't been a copy in existence for over half a century!
Now you've now ducked answering whether you have seen the Hague v Langford fight after years of insisting you had.


How about the Lamotta v Fox fight you claimed to have seen, do you still say you have? Third time of asking now!

Quack quack straightforward duck!You ,gutless, piece of sewage!

 

Yes Ted did see it. He sent me a PM saying he did. I'm 100% certain. I swear.

Funny you keep going back to something that can't be proven and acting like you win. No you don't! Now are you going to take my bet or not? Your a sackless coward Tony.

 

and

Ted has not seen it so one of you must be lying want to guess whom I believe?lol

Below
My conversation with Ted dated. July14th 2016
mcvey said:
Hi Ted,I wonder if you can help me out? A poster has said that you have seen the Hague v Langford fight , can you confirm this please?

"No. I once thought to have possessed it a while ago but it was in fact just a copy of Langford vs. Bill Lang.

People will false advertise to sell. "

Ted Spoon, Jul 14, 2016 Report

 

I don't think this makes sense, nor does it make sense when people say Johnson would've beaten Willard had it been 20 rounds. Both were scheduled for 45 rounds, to my knowldge not a single fight scheduled for 45 went the distance, so scorecards are irrelevant, it's all about getting the stoppage, either setting up a big punch or wearing them down. Even if Johnson gave away all of the first 10 rounds, out of 45 that'd be less than giving away the first 3 rounds in a 12 round fight.

Johnson won, and there's no way he wasn't going to win, had it been a shorter distance fight he would've done it sooner.

 

What also does not make sense is someone claiming it was pretty even after ten rounds when only 2 of the first ten are available to view and make a judgement on! See Ed Morbius' post earlier!

 

There you have the answer...we all know sex robs strength in a boxers legs. If his wife hadn't made that trip, history may have changed!

Anyway, yes Jeffries looked "fit" before the fight. Photos show him muscular and trim. But he wasn't fighting fit.
How the hell could anyone imagine a man out of the ring for 6 effing years being competitive with a fit and exceptional HW champ is beyond me. To much Hope and too little common sense.