What happened to boxers who just wanted to win?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by greatone, Feb 26, 2012.


  1. greatone

    greatone Active Member Full Member

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    I say this because recently, Andre Ward feels that Bute needs to fight some more fights before he can fight Ward. Also, of course the Floyd/Pac thing too. If you were Ward wouldn't you realize that cleaning out a division and becoming undisputed is better for your image and earning potential than waiting for a fighter to be further built up for you to fight? I would clean out a weak division quickly and enjoy my undisputed title if I could. With Floyd/Pac, I do think that Floyd has done his fair share of holding the fight up (along with arum) but doesn't he realize that if he fights Pac (I think he can beat Pac now) he will shut up the haters and prove himself all in one night? Not to mention become even a bigger superstar with the victory? So like I said it seems like back in the day we had more undisputed champs or at least multiple belt holders taking on all comers than this political crap going on now.
     
  2. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    People care more about making money and staying on top rather than to take risks and have legacy, not all but most.
     
  3. drozzy

    drozzy AERE Full Member

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    "Further built up for you to fight" = more money

    It's the only reason I see. A bit weird coming from such a religious man but that's how I see it. Ward also tweeted couple days ago that he was "ready" for a Bute fight. There should be more talk this week, with Interbox & Showtime meeting up on Monday.
     
  4. greatone

    greatone Active Member Full Member

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    Carrying the title of "undisputed" should have more earning potential than any single victory over a built up fighter.
     
  5. drozzy

    drozzy AERE Full Member

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    I agree.
     
  6. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    In fairness it wasn't quite as difficult to become (and remain) "undisputed" as it was two major titles from the 1920s until the 1980s, the alphabet politics wasn't as ridiculous as it is now, but yeah, we've been missing out on too many meaningful matchups, including the biggest fight in the sport which would bring a shitload of attention to the sport.
     
  7. SugarShane_24

    SugarShane_24 ESB good-looking member Full Member

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    The fighters who wanted to win are not earning much and or remain unrecognized, there's alot of them out there.

    Once they enter the next realm, (P4P status, million dollar purses, backing of a powerful promoter etc.) they begin to take a high risk, higher reward approach or a low risk, high reward. What were the reputation of Money, Pac, Martinez and NonD before winning high profiles fights? It's their fight anyone, anytime mentality. But right now, it's picking who will bring cash while looking good mentality.
     
  8. greatone

    greatone Active Member Full Member

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    Had floyd AND pac kept fighting anyone anytime....they would be twice as popular as they are now. Floyd would've cleaned out the 147lbs division and pac would've cleaned out 135/140lbs and then fought each other. Only in our dreams. But it could've happened.
     
  9. SugarShane_24

    SugarShane_24 ESB good-looking member Full Member

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    I know, we can only sigh and hope.
     
  10. pong

    pong Boxing Addict Full Member

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    honestly i think the floyd/pac thing sort of sets a bad example for the rest of the fighters they see these guys make megamoney without fighting the elite opposition in their weightclass and think they can do the same.the ward one is particularly odd as bute is real big money fight and ward's options aren't great.
     
  11. The Prince

    The Prince Member Full Member

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    I agree, way too many politics involved, so much that it has majorly resulted in the decline of the sport. It has evolved from the extreme of fighters brawling it out like animals and almost dying for the enjoyment of people to boxers being hyped up to high heaven and laughing all the way to the bank mugging off everyone who works a 9-5 just to throw away their hard earned cash on some bull**** PPV.
     
  12. drozzy

    drozzy AERE Full Member

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    OP - would it put a smile on your face if Stephen Espinoza were to come out on Wednesday and announce Ward-Bute @ Staples Center for end of May?

    It'd do it for me. :D
     
  13. SugarShane_24

    SugarShane_24 ESB good-looking member Full Member

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    That one, or Arum announcing that NonD and Rigo will bring it on June.
     
  14. greatone

    greatone Active Member Full Member

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    Uhhh.....YEAH!
     
  15. drozzy

    drozzy AERE Full Member

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    I don't want to get your hopes up but Interbox's president said he was "waiting on offers to go to Oakland or Nottingham", said he was meeting with Showtime on Monday, and Andre Ward tweeted on Friday that he was "ready" for a Bute fight. Showtime obviously is keen on Ward-Bute, they have been all along. Now that Ward is back in the gym, this **** can happen.

    If there's a Boxing God, we're in for a treat. :bbb