What Happened to Dempsey in Flynn 1 ?

I wonder how much solid research has been done on Jack Dempsey's life. For instance, I have found that there have been some inaccuracies about Maxine Cates, who was Dempsey's first wife, in Dempsey's autobiographies and biographies of Dempsey. Based on information found in such autobiographies and biographies, Cates was about fifteen years older than Dempsey and killed when she was in a dancehall that burned down in Juarez about 1924. According to various documents that I found on various websites, including Ancestry.com and FamilySearch, Maxine later married again and worked in a beauty shop in Kansas City until her death during the late 1930s. Oh yes! Maxine appears to have been a year younger than Dempsey.

- Chuck Johnston

 

Monte Cox believes a lot of things.Dempsey wasn't a"name," in1917,where was the Kudos for Flynn winning that fight ? No kudos=No motive for a fix.

 

Yeah, the motive seems vague. Flynn was on a losing streak and not particularly marketable.

 

Just brainstorming it here, but you could probably have got decent odds on Flynn to beat Dempsey in the first round.

 

True so what is the evidence of the fix.
Dempsey’s wife in testimony and Flynn himself claiming as much.
Not concrete for sure but not totally dismissible either.
I have to read the article again. Cox is a historian but his opinions are just that

 

Something lost in the winds of time...

Then there is the Fulton accusation of a double cross which led to his quick exit.

Newspapers alone will never tell the full story but we get certainly get that the Wild West element in the sport was alive and well.

Another interesting note is that newpapers say it was both a left and a right that KO'd Jack. Little consistency on that matter.

 

If someone falls face first, that is hard to fake. Flynn caught him early, plain and simple.

 

Yes,I understand that but there was no recorded big money bets on this fight. So no betting coup.

 

I repeat, I've never seen a verified quote from Flynn to the effect that Dempsey laid down. Dempsey had just gone through the process of getting loose from Maxine when she came out with her statement, so she was hardly an objective witness.
Monte Cox? He writes about boxing.

 

Somewhere in the tunney book by cavanaugh.....it is also refferred to in flynns obit

 

Was there much bet in general? An obvious way to make it less obvious would be a lot of small of bets.

The other thing is how well recorded the betting was, or if there was black market or unrecorded betting. Honestly, I know nothing about betting, then or now. Just curious.

 

That's what Maxine said.

 

That book kinda sucks.

 

John Cavanaugh's biography of Gene Tunney doesn't go into go into any great depth. It also doesn't help that the book was a virtual love tome to Tunney, who certainly had some personal faults. Tunney would be a terrific subject for an objective, in-depth biography.

- Chuck Johnston

 

Is it a direct quote from Flynn though?