What happened to Joseph Parker ?

KINGWILDER · Dec 23, 2023

Hotep Kemba said: ↑

Bump! I didn't think very much of Wilder but this is still a huge upset for me. Hopefully Wilder's pathetic farse of a career is finally over and JP (who I thought was destined to be a gatekeeper post Joyce) still has some juice for his career left. Unlike the rest of the top 10 he's only in his early 30's so we'll see if he fizzles out like Ruiz or actually capitalizes on this.
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Got this terribly wrong and I’m not afraid to admit it. I do think Wilder is past it but still based on last night, Parker would have given any version of Wilder trouble.

piprules · Dec 23, 2023

KINGWILDER said: ↑

No version of Parker beats Wilder for me. He may have been more agile in the past but I think people are overestimating his ability to avoid punches. I think Wilder connects early on and gets rid of him. I maintain that only Fury and maybe Usyk can beat him. You need power and movement to beat Wilder, he’s too dangerous to try and box for 12 rounds.
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This aged well

KINGWILDER · Dec 23, 2023

piprules said: ↑

This aged well
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Aged like fine cheese! I badly overestimated Wilder’s ability, I too bought into the hype following the Fury trilogy. Truth is he is past his best but also this is what happens when you are matched with fodder your whole career and finally fight guys who are not absolutely cooked and come to win. Wilder is done.

piprules · Dec 23, 2023

Brighton bomber said: ↑

His movement was never that great to begin with, while he could move as he had pretty fast feet he was very ineffective on the back foot as he couldn't counter punch and basically never learned to be a back foot type of fighter. In the end if he wanted to mount any kind off offence he had to set his feet and throw when what he really needed to do was learn to create traps and counter an oncoming opponent.

They made him bigger tried to turn him into a more aggressive and powerful fighter which given his lack of counter punching and short reach I guess kind of made sense. If he can't fight well on the back foot then make him more effective on the front foot but even good front foot fighters know how to counter, know how to play with distance to draw leads and then counter.

In the end his skills simply were never good enough and that comes down to those training him on the way up. I recall when AJ and Parker were prospects and at the time they were genuinely at a similar level. Difference is one of them had a pretty good coach the other didn't and by the time they fought one had evolved and progressed the other had not. Talent isn't enough you have to have the skills to make the best of the talent and unfortunately for Parker his talent was squandered and wasted with a team that could never get the best out of him.

Now it's too late, he wasted his prime years and can't get them back, at the top level of sport you can't spend years just stagnating while all your competition gets gradually better and eventually surpasses you, hence why he lost to less talented guys like Whyte and a faded but wily old veteran like Chisora was able to give him 2 tough fights, despite Parker having every physical advantage.
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piprules · Dec 23, 2023

Brighton bomber said: ↑

His movement was never that great to begin with, while he could move as he had pretty fast feet he was very ineffective on the back foot as he couldn't counter punch and basically never learned to be a back foot type of fighter. In the end if he wanted to mount any kind off offence he had to set his feet and throw when what he really needed to do was learn to create traps and counter an oncoming opponent.

They made him bigger tried to turn him into a more aggressive and powerful fighter which given his lack of counter punching and short reach I guess kind of made sense. If he can't fight well on the back foot then make him more effective on the front foot but even good front foot fighters know how to counter, know how to play with distance to draw leads and then counter.

In the end his skills simply were never good enough and that comes down to those training him on the way up. I recall when AJ and Parker were prospects and at the time they were genuinely at a similar level. Difference is one of them had a pretty good coach the other didn't and by the time they fought one had evolved and progressed the other had not. Talent isn't enough you have to have the skills to make the best of the talent and unfortunately for Parker his talent was squandered and wasted with a team that could never get the best out of him.

Now it's too late, he wasted his prime years and can't get them back, at the top level of sport you can't spend years just stagnating while all your competition gets gradually better and eventually surpasses you, hence why he lost to less talented guys like Whyte and a faded but wily old veteran like Chisora was able to give him 2 tough fights, despite Parker having every physical advantage.
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I think Parker reached the top very young and has been fighting guys with winning records for quite a while, a few loses against top guys when you’re young isn’t a bad thing if you learn from them. He is only 31, much younger than the rest in the top ten.

piprules · Dec 23, 2023

KINGWILDER said: ↑

Aged like fine cheese! I badly overestimated Wilder’s ability, I too bought into the hype following the Fury trilogy. Truth is he is past his best but also this is what happens when you are matched with fodder your whole career and finally fight guys who are not absolutely cooked and come to win. Wilder is done.
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Give some props to Parker for fighting so well bro, he fought amazing.

KINGWILDER · Dec 23, 2023

piprules said: ↑

Give some props to Parker for fighting so well bro, he fought amazing.
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Oh not denying that, he showed he belongs among the best in the division. I’m delighted for him and hope we see him out there in another big fight soon.

Mitch87 · Dec 23, 2023

I'd like to the the following card

AJ vs Hrgovic
Parker vs Dubois
Sanchez vs Kabayel

NoChin · Dec 23, 2023

What happened to him? He had 4 shots from the fountain of youth and put on a boxing clinic.

That's what happened to him.

Brighton bomber · Dec 23, 2023

Well last night he just resurrected his career. He's now right back in the mix at the very top of the division and should be aiming for a 2nd run at a title.

He shocked many including myself with his performance, he's honestly never looked better even when he was undefeated and was champ he never looked this focused and determined, his execution last night was flawless which it had to be against a puncher like Wilder.

I'd love to see him rematch Whyte, that's a loss he can avenge.

Kiwi Casual · Dec 24, 2023

Mitch87 said: ↑

I'd like to the the following card

AJ vs Hrgovic
Parker vs Dubois
Sanchez vs Kabayel
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No. Hrgovic had an absolutely disgraceful excuse for a match. Parker beating Wilder should mean he gets his rematch with AJ. Hrgovic v Dubios would be interesting though.

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