What happened to Ray Leonard?

Ground Hog Day again!

 

What happened to Johnson after is significant to what status he was prior to that. If he retired soon after, chances are he was not in fighting shape after that. Not in much shape to fight a Thomas Hearns, regardless of Tommy moving up in weight. Whether there is nothing to it matters on whose opinion. The magazine favoring Hearns is significant, and who would they have picked Jones to beat Lewis. Yet that is why that is a big accomplishment. Fighting Ruiz. Toney beat Ruiz also. He picked a much much easier guy than Lewis. Not just well this guys is the easiest one by a small amount, he picked a guy he could beat for sure opposed to a guy in Lennox he could not have. Not with that right hand.

Irrelevent about Marvin Johnson's career? No. Hearns beat the best guy at lightheavyweight from 1987 to 1995, and I rank Hill over Williams. In 1987 Hearns was considered one of the best . He was favored over most guys he fought except probably Ray or Marvin, and had he not lost to Barkley and struggled with Kinchen, I am not sure what the odds would have been for the Leonard rematch, which is why Ray fought Tommy in the first place because he struggled.
Sure Hearns was favored over Barkley and that is why it was an upset.

 

This is really a bunch of screaming. But I try to respond to everyone. Repeating what I said are facts which don't change. You keep saying the same things over and over just with different screaming ways to say it. Just say what you feel normally. Saying it with capital letters does not make it any more true.

Fights are not always this fighter beat that fighter so he can beat every fight that guy fought. Norris would not beat Hagler. Hagler was too strong and Norris would have to deal with a guy coming at his chin for the whole fight. And Norris would be hit and knocked out.

Norris is irrelevant really. Ray moved back down to 154 when he should not have, but the story of Norris is a lack of chin. The guy was knocked down by Simon Brown's jab. Norris could have never been a superfight level for long. What do I say is a superfighter? Someone who could be in superfights and impress and have fights with other greats over and over. His chin would not hold him. His claim to fame is beating an old Ray Leonard and small Meldrick Taylor?

The only way you can make Norris and Nunn look good is matching them up against Leonard? What about guys in their own weights. Well when they fought guys in their own generation they didn't look as good. I liked Nunn, I think he was one of the best for about a year. Then somehow that Barkley fight derailed him a little. Actually what derailed Nunn was Kalambay. Nunn got the idea he was a huge puncher and stopped being the mover and free flowing guy he could be. He was not a puncher. That was a bit of a fluke. And it disrupted his style and career more than it helped.

Hagler was not washed up in 1987, he was inactive and that was enough to let Ray take the fight from him. But washed up? I still think Hagler had enough in him in 1987 if he was sharp to beat a 1992 Roy Jones, who was not experience. Very fast. Scary fast, but not experience for a Hagler who saw it all.

That is the only thing you are right about. Leonard would not have dreamed about fighting Nunn. He would not have fought him. I don't know why he fought Norris. Sometimes I think Ray set that up so he would be beaten up and have an excuse to retire. Norris at that time was not the fighter to fight, although Hearns that same year of 1991 fought an undefeated guy who goes down better than Norris, Virgil Hill.. Hearns fought and beat him and looked great the same year Ray lost to Norris easily. And Hearns fought the whole decade of the 1980s.

 

dont you GET IT?

it's not size nor strength thats the factor here. stop trying to MAKE it so!

If Norris didnt stay where Leonard could hit him, what makes you thinki he would hang around long enough for Hagler to work on him?

Norris by easy UD!

I watched Hagler in training for the Leonard fight three weeks earlier and watched his sparring partners the Weaver triplets toy with him. it was at that point I saw Hagler was finished as both a fighter and champion

You seem to have trained your mind into thinking that Hagler still had a punch or had reflexes

so if the weaver triplets, AND leonard dealt with him the way I saw, then he is WASHED UP!

case closed

ditto for Roy Jones. experience or not, Roy would speed past him similar to Ray Leonard, only easier becuz whatever Ray Leonard did, Roy Jones does better

Roy Jones is in my top 10 all time

Ray Leonard only top 50 - 100 becuz his career was too short and chose a fight with a washed up Hagler, and then Lalonde, whoever that was

Had Ray beat my man Terry and Camacho, along with Nunn, Curry and Pryor, he'd be ranked higher

but that would be asking too much from his fans

 

the ONLY thing I'm right about?

I'm right about EVERYTHING!

Mel taylor OLD at 25 and carrying a belt in his 8th year at pro with one loss that SHOULD have been a win?

where do you come off with "OLD"?

See? more SPIN!

LOL! in fact, that was TRIPPLE the spin!!

You LOVE to blow it, dont you?

you dont know what youre talking about from the time you started to the time you finished

 

You are right about everything? Ok good. I didn't say Meldrick was old I said he was small. And Ray was old, but 1991 was a great year for Norris. 1992 was also with Donald Curry. I think it was 1992 June in Palm Springs. It could have been 1991 but I know it was in June. I lived in California then and I went into Palm Springs at the time to hang out and see if I could meet some fighters- but I did not go to the fights. It was at the Radison I think, and that was the Casino at that time right at the border of the city at Palm Canyon Drive as your leaving the city near where all those wind generators start to show. But I saw all the commotion with the fights and I love all that stuff. I love to blow it? You mean smoke? Yeah I guess so. From time to time. Not recently.

 

Cocaine is a Helluva drug

 

i wouldnt know so why tell me about it?

cant you do any better in a debate w/o implying I'm on drugs?

you didnt address the problem slow footed Hagler would have getting Terry to stand still for him

M. Spinks never fought at heavy and didnt stand still for Holmes superior girth to wear him down

sorry but Terry is not as inferior as youd like to make him out