What happened to the great American Heavyweight?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by punch13, Jan 13, 2010.


  1. Sinew

    Sinew The Assassin Full Member

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    Looks like most American heavyweights right now. Arreola would be LHW if he wasnt so fat. Thats the thing . What you see in Wlad beating these fat *******s. None of them have the physical stature or endurance of Holyfield , Tyson , or Foreman . Wlad does ,but not his opponents.

    The big strong guys are playing other sports it really is that simple. Heavyweight boxing is only being dominated by two people coming from the same area. Lets not act like somehow all of Europe is dominating the HW division.

    How many Vitali's has Vitali fought?

    How many Wlads has Wlad fought?

    Not just America , Athletes around the world are involved in other sports.
     
  2. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    He ate them when they were kids
     
  3. BoxingFanNo1

    BoxingFanNo1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So from a population of 300 million you can't even have ONE guy do well, just ONE no? Poor excuse imo.

    Oh, and Europe IS dominating HW boxing right now wether we like it or not.

    Fact is at HW the tallent isn't there, whatever reason/excuse you give.
     
  4. Larryboys

    Larryboys Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I pretty much agree with this, but I think you can add college scholarships into that. American boxers have typically been from poor backgrounds, as far as I know you can't get scholarships for boxing but you can for football/basketball, that's a big leg up for someone who could ordinarily not afford it, even if they don't make it as a pro they get a free education out of it, that'll probably influence anyone who was choosing between a career in football and boxing.
     
  5. punch13

    punch13 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I also want to add that minority groups (in particular Latino-Americans and African-Americans) in the U.S.A. who formed a big population pool of boxing have evolve culturally and economically. Minority groups use to look towards sports or less educationally required jobs for a career. Many minority groups today are becoming more educated especially college educated and acquire professional careers, and careers in government. They have switched their strategy. If you look at many of the colleges in the U.S.A. today, and compare it to just 20 years ago, you will see a larger proportion of Latino-Americans and African-Americans. There has been a push from within these groups, and a push from the U.S. government to elevate the social, educational, and economic standings of these two groups which has had good success.
     
  6. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Haha excuses. That same excuse can used for EVERY division mostly below heavyweight for most countries anyway! Pitiful excuse.
     
  7. Vysotsky

    Vysotsky Boxing Junkie banned

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    First off Popularity not money is the biggest factor. 7 years old children don't start playing a sport because they're thinking of the possible endorsement deals they can get.

    And if you think Soccer is the only sport in Europe that "steals" potential heavyweights you're more foolish than the people you're trying to chastise.

    Wrestling, Combat Sambo, Rugby, Hockey, MMA, Kickboxing, Weightlifting, Powerlifting, Strongest Man Competitions are sports off the top of my head that are very very popular in various European countries that are filled with very large and athletic men.

    You seem rather bitter, dry your tears

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  8. gottaluv3logies

    gottaluv3logies Member Full Member

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    In the US, it is DEFINITELY due to Football and Basketball. These sports are widely televised, very accessible and have big media money behind them. So when these young kids are growing up they are already interested in pursuing careers in these limelight sports. These are the same kids who would have grown up to be Heavyweight class worthy. Also a big factor is collegiate money. You can get big time scholarships and coast through an Academic career if your good at almost any sport BUT boxing. If the kids show enough promise, you get schools scouting kids for sports from elementary school ages. Also to practice boxing safely you have to find a gym, which are hard to find in inner cities. And to practice basketball, baseball, football and any other sport where big men reign, you just go to the park where there are public facilities for the sport.
     
  9. Arka

    Arka New Member Full Member

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    Haha. I remember asking more or less the same question on the internet over nine years ago.
    I remember then the US forum members on the site I posted,were quite defensive about the idea that American fighters had lost control of the heavyweight division.
     

  10. I totally agree with your assessment. The only reason why America dominated in the early years is because the majority of the fighters were American, the same as how they dominate Baseball and American Football now where most of the professional players and teams are American.

    Football siphoning potential boxers is a sorry excuse and similarly applies to other countries where boxing isnt a dominant sport (basically every country). Boxers are boxers and boxing in America is lucrative. Given a choice a boxer will always opt for the sport he/she loves.
     
  11. Big Left

    Big Left Boxing Addict Full Member

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    lol at the americans saying it is because boxing is not popular in the US anymore.

    the people dominating the heavyweight divison today - what types of countries do they come from? where were those from 20 years ago, 50 years ago?...
     
  12. tony mush

    tony mush Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    because hes vastly overrated crap and wouldnt get his game in europe?
     
  13. boxingbull

    boxingbull Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Co-sign but I do believe Deontay Wilder has a real good chance in the future.
     
  14. T.S.

    T.S. T.Stout Full Member

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    Yeah which ones? Which player in the NBA woyld be Heavyweight Champion? C'mon give us names! The NFL and NBA have been around for 100 years. The average career of an NFL player is 3 years. This is such a bull**** and cowardly excuse it's pathetic.

    It's because of the influx of more global competition. Take it like a man.
     
  15. Excessive height can in some instances hinder a boxer, Tyson for instance isnt very tall.