What happens if you do a bodybuilding workout without a bodybuilding diet?

Overtraining is a broad term and different people will overtrain more easily than others doing the same thing. Generally endurance athletes are at more of a risk of overtraining.
What windigo said was correct, the people saying things like calories = muscle gains don't know what they are talking about, protein gets overrated and the hormonal response to different sorts of exercises gets underrated, lift heavy - low reps if you are looking for out and out strength with minimal weight gain.

 

Of course diet has something to do with overtraining, poor diet is a sure way to fast track an athlete to experience overtraining symtoms. You don't have any idea what overtraining is.

 

No.

"Overtraining is a physical, behavioral and emotional condition that occurs when the volume and intensity of an individual's exercise exceeds their recovery capacity. They cease making progress, and can even begin to lose strength and fitness. Overtraining is a common problem in weight training, but it can also be experienced by runners and other athletes."

You can have the best diet in the world, but if you work out too much your body will not recover thus limiting or even hurting your gains. Such as lifting weights 5 times a week hitting the same muscle group everytime, you will not get stronger it will actually hurt your gains.

BTW, you can eat fast food everyday and get stronger. If you lift 3 times a week HARD and eat a burger everyday you can gain strength. It might affect how much fat you put on your body but it will not cause you to have as you said it "overtraining symptoms" lol, you're an idiot sir.


I also has a chuckle at what you said earlier

I like how one post you say "Calories = Muscle gains is incorrect" and then you say diet has everything to do with overtraining. So by your logic, as long as a guy eats healthy he can train everyday and not worry about overtraining because the food will take care of the recovery...hmm, seems like you swallowed a helping of dumbass.

Sticking with your "calories = muscle mass is wrong" logic, a guy can lift HEAVY-LOW REPS with a calorie deficit and see Strength gains correct?

NOPE.. if you consume less calories than you burn you will not gain any mass at all, it's simple logic. http://www.ehow.com/how_3557_gain-weight.html

Go to any bodybuilding website they will say the same thing.

You also go on record as saying "protein is overrated"......Is that why every bodybuilding magazine/website sell hundreds of protein supplements or shakes (must be a fad), or every muscle gaining diet has a SHITLOAD of protein in them? SHOW ME A MUSCLE GAINING DIET THAT NEEDS NO PROTEIN.....you can't because it's impossible.

In conclusion you are the one that knows NOTHING about overtraining even though you think you do. CHECKMATE

 

When did I say diet has everything to do with overtraining? I said that it will fast track overtraining symptoms. I was implying that a lack of nutrients from food would exacerbate the symptoms, I was talking about not eating enough, I don't know why you are talking about burgers. In fact you are going off on alot of tangents here, I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings pal.
I say protein is overrated because your body can only absorb so much at a time and you don't need that much, too much from animal sources is going to weaken your bones as it leeches calcium from them. Protein is important but i'd say carbs are more important post-workout as you need to replace your glycogen stores. When did I say you need no protein? :rofl
I've got a stack of physiology books and journal articles here if you'd like to have a debate on a particular issue. My degree is in sports science, if you think a bodybuilding site in the business of making money is a credible source to argue from well..... you are a silly *****.
I questioned your understanding of overtraining because you said something like 'er yeah if you bench or squat like 4 times a week that'd be overtraining'. That is a ****ing stupid thing to say as every athlete is different and alot of factors are involved. Which brings me to the calories = muscle gain issue, you and someone else were trying to say that's what it boils down too which is untrue, yes it's a factor but there are many other factors aswell, probably most importantly how heavy you lift and how many reps, hence my comment about the hormonal response.

 

I said 500 calories on top of your worked out calories = MASS gain, not muscle gain. I've also said here or elsewhere training will dictate how much of that mass will be muscle and how much will be fat.

 

I like how you say he doesn't know what overtraining is but then you have to copy paste off the net.

Actually I have trained 5 days a week. I know a few programs which work 5 days a week, full body. Chad Waterbury designed a program which has you in the gym twice a day 4 days a week. Hitting a muscle often is a good way to build muscle. As you say, you can't build strength this way, it'll burn out your CNS quickly, but you can build a lot of muscle if you eat at a surplus.

Eating burgers causes "overtraining symtoms"? WTF?

Food is a huge factor in recovery. If you don't get enough food you won't recover as fast which will lead to over training. Think about it....

Chris, if you think squatting 4 times a week is over training (which it isn't) you'd love the Smolov squat cycle.

Stripped Down Hypertrophy - 5 days a week - http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_...sionid=7570ED0E62913F56290A6B7DD0EAA27E.hydra
Smolov Squat Cycle - Heavy squats 4 days a week - http://www.ontariostrongman.ca/Resources/training/smolovsquatcycle.htm
High Frequency System - 4 days a week 2 workouts per day - http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_...ining_performance/bodybuildings_next_frontier

 

People who think that there is no such thing as overtraining read too much stuff put out by guys who juice. The correct statement is 'if you are taking anabolic androgenic steroids then there is no such thing as over training.'

Rule #1 of natural training never try and equal the volume of guys who are not natural. Take from them concepts but take things with a grain of salt and understand that they are not normal and their bodies unlike yours have scientifically enhanced endocrine systems.