what happens to boxing when Hopkins, Mosley, Pac, JMM and PBF retire permanently?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by PH|LLA, Jun 26, 2009.


  1. cdnboxing

    cdnboxing Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,638
    0
    Jun 20, 2008
    One thing boxing has always proven is that it manufacture stars.

    When Pac, JMM, Mayweather retire, there will be other fighters ready to replace them.
     
  2. Cruiser1

    Cruiser1 Champion Emeritus Full Member

    4,622
    2
    Feb 23, 2005
    Mosley and Pacman I will miss cuz of the excitement they bring. I will really miss Sugar Shane and I can assure you that Larry Merchant will too. Marquez I will miss because of his technical acumen. Hopkins's negativity and Mayweather's wannabe bad-boy act and unwillingness to fight a legit fighter over 140 grew old with me a long time ago. To those guys I would say good riddance albeit with respect for what they accomplished in their respective careers.

    I'm looking forward to seeing how the remainder of the Klitschkos' careers play out as well as those of Miguel Cotto and Tomasz Adamek. I wanna see what becomes of Mexican fighters Ortiz and Andrade. Andrade's a bad-ass and I wanna see him get another shot at Bute. For good measure, I'd like to see whether or not David Haye actually has the goods at heavyweight as well. Edwin Valero is somebody else I'll be keeping an eye on too.

    I know I didn't directly answer the question but I guess what I'm trying to say is that the sport will survive no matter what. There will always be die-hard fans. Boxing is too intriguing not to have fans and if more people took a closer look, they'd see that the sport is a metaphor for life in many ways.
     
  3. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    17,407
    8
    Oct 8, 2007
    I hear you bro, but the youth is not listening however. I think if boxing dont take UFC as a real threat, then their lying to themselves and will be introuble within the next decade. Yes, boxing will never die, but that doesn't mean it can't be effected either.

    My solution to the problem is more hype needs to go into big matches, Mayweather/DLH was marketed perfectly and it broke PPV records Tyson once held. The fans are out there, you just need to make the fight sound appealing to them. Thats why I get so pissed off when people get upset over Haye running his mouth and sporting shirts making fun of the Klits, it's called hyping a fight for christ sakes, something Ali did with Frazier nearly 40 years ago, it's nothing new. We need more hype and characters period, not for us diehard fans, but for the youth who decides to watch a UFC fight instead of a boxing match on a friday or saturday night.
     
  4. Thinman

    Thinman Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,474
    3
    Aug 12, 2005
    Maybe that's what we need.... so we as boxing fans can take over :lol:....

    Perhaps if we go back in time where we didn't have PPVs?????? maybe that's the answer....
     
  5. Cruiser1

    Cruiser1 Champion Emeritus Full Member

    4,622
    2
    Feb 23, 2005
    Good post man. People can't understand the science of boxing so they prefer the good ol' fashioned barbarism of MMA. It's like taking a mental shortcut.
     
  6. Jeff Young

    Jeff Young Boxing Junkie Full Member

    11,656
    0
    Jun 5, 2009
    exactly, i'm 23 myself, and UFC has never appealed to me, but for some reason my friends make fun of me for liking boxing more then I do MMA, which they think is "fighting"......I think boxing's problem is that the promoters have wrecked it, and some parts of it has turned into a circus free for all, which has really messed up the competition.....mma seems to be well crafted and is skewed to the younger crowd.....where i think boxing will be in trouble is say 20 years from now......becasue most of the boxing fans at the moment i heard the demographics of most fans is over 40........this is the problem with boxing......
     
  7. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

    7,377
    1
    May 28, 2008
    Honestly Pac is the only name there that is the big problem, as he killed two of boxings biggest fan/economic generators, in taking their mantles and quickly retiring it creates a bit of a void.

    Guys like Hopkins, Mosley and JMM don't have the worldwide mainstream fanbases to create too many problems with their retirement. Hopkins retirement will finally allow the LHW division to set its course.

    Mayweather is a significant loss but he has eased into it with the whole semi-retirement shenanigans.
     
  8. Jeff Young

    Jeff Young Boxing Junkie Full Member

    11,656
    0
    Jun 5, 2009
    and you can say what you want to about hatton as a fighter but he was great for this era....it will be sad when he walks away as well, and a loss for boxing.....his fans base was truly unique and will never be replicated again.
     
  9. NSX-R

    NSX-R Active Member Full Member

    514
    1
    Jan 21, 2006
    Hopefully, we'll be seeing more superstars coming out of the Philippines, the UK, and Germany. Recent megafights have proven that boxing is gaining widespread appeal in those countries while it is dwindling in America. Top Rank and GBP should consider promoting boxing programs in those countries so that the next group of boxing stars could sign with major promotions once they peak.

    To be honest, MMA will likely surpass boxing in popularity. MMA's appeal is much wider in scope with regards to age (the 15-45 year old crowd) and race (immensely popular among white males)). Coupled with the UFC's aggressive expansion into global markets (Europe, Canada, and soon Asia), boxing will face serious competition in attracting young, enthusiastic fans. One reason for UFC's new found success is their devotion to fostering talent from the grassroots level. The Ultimate Fighter series regularly showcases newbies and tells them that they are roughly a half-dozen fights away from a title shot. Fans are able to monitor the fighters' progression through the ranks until some of them make it to PPV events. Many of their top fighters became household names among MMA fans because of that show.
     
  10. Jeff Young

    Jeff Young Boxing Junkie Full Member

    11,656
    0
    Jun 5, 2009
    another idea is to get boxing on one of the major cable channels like a USA, TBS, or TNT......i think it would do wonders
     
  11. KOTF

    KOTF Bingooo Full Member

    13,448
    27
    Jun 2, 2009
    We wait for a new HW star then to be the creme de la creme, the main attraction, somebody like Deontay Wilder (assuming he doesn't have a glass jaw when he steps up in competition since I know you guys like talking about chins), a HW KO artist, to carry the sport on his back
     
  12. Thinman

    Thinman Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,474
    3
    Aug 12, 2005
    Nobody is the big problem.....

    "boxing biggest fan/economic generators" for who????? Hatton and Hoya???? Most of their fans knew that they were cashing in.....even many cassual fans knew this..... for some reasons they knew Hoya and Hatton have been around and after they lost they think that it is time for them to retire...

    It is better for boxing that they are gone.... trust me... real boxing fans don't think too much about them.... I personally think that DLH would have retired long time ago.
     
  13. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    27,148
    6
    Jun 30, 2007
    Part of the problem is posts like the ones you quoted.

    Listen boxing has been around a long long time and as such, boxing fanatics have developed a BS elitist mentality. The UFC is relatively fresh and because of that it's more welcoming to new fans who can jump in without having to deal with years worth of history and bull**** to deal with. NOT only that but boxing fans continually going out of their way to bash UFC makes boxing seem small time. The UFC (and most legit MMA companies) are nothing but respectful to boxing and its history. Compare that to boxing fanatics and promoters who refer to it as a "fad" amongst other things. NOTHING gives your adversaries a little edge than acknowledging they exist and by trying to establish your superiority through BS smear campaigns. It makes me laugh how a random poster will blurt out "UFC sucks!!!" because it's a nice way to admit that you think about them enough to try to put them down. Again, you go out of your way to make them bigger than what they are and acknowledge that they exist.

    There's a reason boxing never had to run down the UFC in the 2000-2005 esque era. It's not that the UFC wasn't growing..it was that boxing (and their fans) didn't have to look over their shoulders and run them down.

    Nowadays you got elitist boxing fans who think that boxing is the be all end all and to even consider being a fan of the UFC or Strikeforce or Dream, you lose your boxing fanhood. As a fan, I think to myself "Who the **** wants to be on board with something like that? **** them." It's funny how MMA fans ignore boxing and boxing fans go out of their way to try to run it down. There's a reason the UFC draws big ratings, does huge buyrates and is generally the hottest promotion going right now. They got on CBS and boxing can barely find networks for some of their biggest stars.

    I'm sorry but every time boxing fans go out of their way to bash MMA or even acknowledge it's existance, it spins the wheels of progress....and there's a reason boxing promoters want to get their hands in on the MMA cookie jar.
     
  14. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    27,148
    6
    Jun 30, 2007
    Wait so they can't understand the science of boxing and instead to prefer a sport with MORE aspects of combat to it?

    Is that like somebody not knowing how to properly ride a bike and choosing instead to learn how to ride a motorcycle?
     
  15. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    27,148
    6
    Jun 30, 2007
    Well yeah, they are.

    Boxing has ran people off with their controversies, poor judging, terrible officiating and other ****. So when something comes along that is even close to potentially being run properly (The rules of MMA are far from perfect as well), people WILL flock to it. The fights in the UFC usually decide themselves where as boxing will NOT shake the bugaboo of the Don King and Bob Arum's of the world for at least the next 10-20 years.

    People blaming MMA for boxing's problems need to ****ing wake up. We made our own bed and now we're sleeping in it.