What happens when Canelo tests CLEAN & BEATS Golovkin?

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  1. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Brilliant! Was Margarito's eye faked too?
     
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  2. Boxing Truth

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    No, it was damaged because Pac had illegal loaded gloves.
    Remember when Robert Garcia complained to the commission that he saw Team Pac load Pac's gloves and there was delay and Team Pac refused to re-wrap his hands, so Margarito countered by drinking some powdered drink to play mind games on Team Pac, but Margarito had to "throw the fight" if he wanted the payday and keep his license, but it came with a price, because not only was he to let Pac hit him at will, but with Pac having loaded gloves, which damaged Margo's eye, but since then Margarito has been getting bribe/pay-off money in installments and is happy:zplayita: and living large:eatingburger:zpong::band:.


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  3. gdm

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    No , he lost to 35 yo Floyd before that , canelos very previous loss was to 35 yo Golovkin
     
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  4. joeyp130

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    Absolutely disagree.
    Let's say the last fight Canelo was awarded a win with TWO 10-2 cards. Sorry, I would imagine most would give zero credit to Canelo for the win based on such ridiculous cards.

    If Canelo wins the next fight and it's anchored by that type of scoring, then it won't be just me that gives him zero credit.
     
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  5. shadow111

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    Canelo only has 1 loss. GGG was lucky to get a draw vs Canelo after getting lit up repeatedly and being thoroughly outboxed.
     
  6. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So Margarito got his eye socket broken by illegal wraps and did nothing about. OK. Makes total sense since you say so!
     
  7. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You're focused on the wrong thing imho. Credit is earned by what you do in the ring, not by how the judges score it. Of course you can give credit to how a fighter fought while still disagreeing with the judges.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see bogus scorecards any more than you do, but that's not going to change my opinion on who I thought won or where credit should be given for.
     
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  8. joeyp130

    joeyp130 Active Member Full Member

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    And I disagree. If Canelo wins and that win is anchored by 10-2 cards and the fight is like the last fight, why should he get credit?

    I'll ask the same question. If last fight Canelo was give two 10-2 cards how many people would give him credit for it? Hell, I can't find anyone who gives him credit for a 10-2 fight as it is. You have said you certainly didnt see the fight that way.

    I've been very clear. 7-5 to either guy is within reason. 10-2 is either incompetence or corruption. I don't want either to be in play next fight.
     
  9. C.J.

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    Canelo REALLY should have FOUR LOSSES
    Floyd, GGG, Lara & Trout Corruptio gave him wins he did NOT deserve
     
  10. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Just think man Where did Pac SUDDENLY get that punching power from Pac also messed uo Cotto's face as bad as Tony did too.
    Corruption wrecked Tony's career & good name they couldn't beat him LEGITIMATELY
     
  11. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    If Clenelo REALLY vomes in 100% CLEAN & legitimately beats GGG The Easter Bunny & the Tooth Fairy will jump in the ring to lead the cheers proving that they are real like Clenelo ROFLMAO
     
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  12. thesmokingm

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    Both Cotto and Margo got special makeup to make their faces look melted off!
     
  13. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    In a 100% straight down the middle fight with no corruption & cheating on either side there wasn't a 147 poubder could live with a 100% prime Tijuana Tornado
     
  14. shadow111

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    I found several of the middle rounds hard to score. I don't think it's necessarily incompetence to give Canelo rounds like 6, 8 and 9. G outworked Canelo in those rounds but Canelo landed the better punches. Judges shouldn't be scoring rounds based on effort and just being active. You have to judge the quality of the punches landed and the defense involved. Rounds 4 and 5 were toss-up rounds. I split those : I gave Canelo rd 4 and GGG rd 5.

    The difference between what you deem reasonable (a 7-5 Canelo score) and 10-2 Canelo is rounds like 4, 6, 8 and 9. Canelo did quite well in those rounds but the question is did he do enough? You may say no, I may say "maybe" but at the end of the day I think we can both agree that some of those middle rounds were close and are debatable as to who won them. They weren't clear cut GGG rounds by any stretch of the imagination.

    With such close rounds, there's really a fine line between 7-5 and 10-2. But you're right, I didn't score it 10-2. I had Canelo winning 1,2,3,4,10,11,12 which I think you would find reasonable. That's 7 rounds. Round 6 was probably the best candidate for a Canelo round out of the other 5. That's a possible 8 rounds to Canelo. Giving rounds 8 and 9 to Canelo are a stretch but they were close. (especially when you consider how poorly Golovkin ended the 7th round nearly giving away that round)

    I challenge you to watch rounds 8 and 9 and ask yourself how clear those rounds really were for GGG. I mean, Canelo landed a massive uppercut in round 8 that was by far the best punch of the round. That's pretty much the difference between what you deem reasonable and a 10-2 card.

    I think you and many others are getting stuck on the final score and not realizing that boxing is scored on a round by round basis and there was a lot going on in those middle rounds that plenty of fans conveniently like to ignore to try to argue 10-2 was so outrageous. GGG struggled to win rounds clearly vs Canelo. But regardless of how incompetent you think a judge is, however many rounds you think a fighter won, you still should be able to separate the judges scores from the performance and give credit where it's due.

    So lets put this to the test : Was Canelo's performance in the 1st fight worthy of your credit? Are you really going to let Byrd's scorecard determine your view of a fighter? We as fans should be giving fighter's credit based on how they perform, not based on how judges interpret their performance. I don't know how you can disagree with that.
     
  15. Love2box

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    So let me get this straight. Pac tells Margo to put the fix in, he then loads his gloves illegally, then goes on to break Margo's eye socket?? On top of all that, Margo is to hit Manny so hard that he admittedly pisses blood? Pass that blunt over brah.
     
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