What happens when there's a double KO...?

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  1. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    I tried googling it and there's tons of misinformation or contradictions with very little citation. Couldn't find any footage either, mostly double knockdowns.

    What do the judges/refs decide when there's an actual double KO and neither boxer beats the count? Is it a draw? Both guys lose? Both win? No contest...?
     
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  2. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would think a draw? I know its not the same but the ref in Merqui Sosa vs Charles Williams fight deemed both not able to continue and it was a draw.
     
  3. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don’t know the official verdict off-hand but surely the only sensible outcome would be to declare a draw. I mean that is what’s occurring. The difficulty would come in determining whether both were counted out at precisely the same time. It might require watching the video back instead of a live call. Such delayed decisions can occur.

    Roy Jones, Jr. was declared winner by the ref initially against Montell Griffin before it was overturned a few minutes later.
     
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  4. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    I don't think it would matter who gets counted out first. If you get knocked down and you can't beat the count, you lost. So if both guys knock each other out, neither of them can be called the winner of the bout.
     
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  5. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wouldn’t the count on you stop though once your opponent was counted out? I certainly understand your logic & wouldn’t quibble too hard about it, but if you’re at 8 & they’re at 10, for instance, you are the winner in the strictest sense, aren’t you? Fights over once the enemy fails to get up at 10.
     
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  6. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Great question Glass.

    There was a double KD in the Wolgast - Rivers fight.

    Apparently Wolgast fouled Rivers who was heading toward the canvas due to the foul blow.

    Wolgast then rushed in and was caught by a legit punch from the descending Rivers causing Wolgast to fall on top of Rivers.

    The ref Jack Welch elected to help Wolgast back up and count out Rivers who remained on the deck.

    However, there was controversy atop that in so far as some believing that the bell rang before Welch could count Rivers out.

    I guess there are multiple treatments for this scenario that are equally arguable.

    One perspective might be that, for either man to have a count applied to him, - his opponent should at least be standing himself, in his own right.

    So, if both were down together for 5 seconds before at least one of them arises, the count on the still downed fighter should start ONLY after 5 seconds, upon the moment the other fighter arose.

    If they BOTH stay down for 10 seconds, then it might seem apt to call a draw - but an arbitrary decision could be made to allow as much time as is necessary for at least one fighter to arise so that a count could start on the still downed fighter.

    Not the be all end all answer but just one way to look at it.
     
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  7. bolo specialist

    bolo specialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    During double KOs, the rules dictate that everyone suddenly moves in slow motion while dramatic music waxes & wanes.

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  8. Shay Sonya

    Shay Sonya The REAL Wonder Woman! Full Member

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  9. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    :lol::lol::lol:

    EVERYTHING looks better in slow motion: -

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  10. SonnyListon>

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    Pretty sure they have the contestants fight to the death, not sure though.
     
  11. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Our pope is the Holy Spirit Full Member

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    In a world where there is so much sense left, IMO these options should not exist, especially the option:
     
  12. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    This makes the most sense. If neither guy can go on but they're up, the guy ahead on the cards wins. This is the same logic for bouts stopped due to an accidental clash of heads that leads to too much blood loss.

    Technical draw is fair if neither guy can get up.

    That's my biggest issue with counting someone out when the other fighter who caused the down is also down. It's simply not logically sound to win a fight when you yourself are on the canvas unable to even get to your feet. The blows landed simultaneously so the count should happen simultaneously and is a double down. This if neither guy can get up, it's a double KO. There can't be a winner.

    It also just doesn't look very glorious winning on your backside. Only prostitutes can pull that off. :lol:
     
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  13. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Didn't end in KO, but the ref started counting, so presumably if neither had gotten up it would have been a technical draw, as per Shay's post -
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