What heavyweight champions would you favor Ron Lyle to beat

Lyle was a good contender but let's not get carried away. The only ranked boxer he ever beat was Shavers, who was very erratic and could be upset by anyone.... actually, instead of "upset", you could say "be beat", because outside of his humongous power, he had very few top boxer's qualities.

 

gota go along with you on this one :good

 

He could beat Marvin Hart with an early KO, but if it went 20 rounds I don't think Lyle would last.

 

Have you seen the Foreman Young fight? It doesn't seem like you have. It wasn't a knockdown. Foreman was off balance and Young pulled him down with a high right hand. It was Young's forearm that actually made contact. Foreman was notorious for being off balance in those days. Watch 12 round. You can probably find it on Youtube.

And Ali really didn't knock out Foreman. Foreman beat the count. Foreman was exhausted. Yes, Ali put him down. But Foreman had trouble rising because he was completely exhausted. And, again, he actually beat the count.

81 fights, well into his forties, and he was down only once from a clean punch. Oooo, sounds like a horrible chin. :roll:

 

Yes.

Why not?

Yes it was.

Which is a knockdown.

After his fist had.

So he was off-balance against Lyle too?

I already have.

Not necessary.

Yes he did.

What did he go down from the other three times?

Who said anything about his chin?

 

More amusing is when posters lose track of what name they're signed in under.

 

And any of us can pick the best moments of one fighter to challenge the worst of another. The astute among us balance the entire career and abilities of both.

Lyle was not that good. Sorry. His power was average. Young had Foreman going life and death and he had NO power.

Part of Wlad's problem is he has made this generation of heavyweights look less than their true abilities. Sorry, but that's the truth.

 

Its certainly possible that Lyle at the peak of his powers could have taken adavantage of say, a 21 year old Patterson, an aging Louis, or someone like Jess Willard. But, catching fighters at their worst doesn't say much, and throwing names like L. Spinks or B. Douglas into the works isn't adding a lot either. I really don't see Lyle dethroning any truly good champion at their peak. He was good, but also limited. In fact, He lost to most of the best fighters he faced, and that included a much smaller Jerry Quarry.

 

Last time I checked it was "MrMarvel" who responded to me.

Oops. :rofl

Foreman, because Tyson took an extended beating from a guy who was at least a solid puncher before going down.

Foreman, because (Henry, not Bert)Cooper was good puncher whereas Young couldn't crack on egg.

Which makes you a fool.

 

In my opinion, Lyle is getting sold a little short here. Sure he wasn't the fastest bullet in the barrel, but he wasn't a tomato can neither :think

Reasonably, Lyle would have a good chance of defeating Ruiz, Spinks, Sharkey, Bruno and Moorer.

I would even say that Lyle stands a very good chance against any version of Buster Douglas, other than the Tokio one, because, admittedly, Buster fought the fight of his life that night.

But, that is Lyle's zenith. And that's all folks.

Anybody above the level of the guys mentioned should be able to defeat Lyle confortably

 

Foreman avoided punchers with durable chins for fear of blowing his wad...Quarry and Bonevena would have been good tests for him..Lyle was big and muscled but was only an average puncher...Foreman was KO'd by Ali, dropped by Young and a couple by Lyle but none of those guys were major punchers and Foreman blew his wad in 2 of them and was a hair away from getting stopped by Lyle...he did show more will to win than Ron though

 

Foreman was all over the place against Jimmy Young... Still, I'm not completely certain if the right hand even connected, not flush atleast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AePc6gKmYWo
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I think Lyle was a good puncher but he didn't always catch the people he fought. He had Foreman standing right in front of him and hurt him bad. Not really a proven great puncher though.