What if Bowe had faced Lewis in his first defense

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by lefthook31, Aug 27, 2007.


  1. DamonD

    DamonD Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well hey, seeing the Bizarro World some of the people arguing Bowe's corner seem to live in, a washed-up old Reynaldo Snipes is probably a top-level iron-jawed competitor...
     
  2. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Probably Bowe would have stopped him.
     
  3. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    We know you're related to Bowe in some way but we're back to your circular reasoning once again. Read the posts after mind to get a consensus of the quality of fighters Bowe fight. The only fighter of note is Holyfield who everyone agrees, is inconsistent. So to determine how good Bowe was as a fighter ask who else he beat. He certainly didn't demolish anyone along the likes of a Ruddock or a Golota, that's for damn sure. And as others have duly noted, he pretty much avoided any heavy hitters.

    Otherwise you're back to saying "Bowe's has to be a great fighter because he beat Holyfield. And because he beat Holyfield he's a great fighter"

    Next you'll be arguing how great Michael Moorer was.

    It just doesn't hold up.

    That's like saying Rahman must be a great fighter because he beat Lewis. And since only a great fighter can beat Lewis, Rahman must have been a great fighter. So therefore when Lewis avenged his loss to Rahman he beat a great, great fighter..wow..yet another feather in Lewis' cap. I like this game. :yep
     
  4. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    LET ME WRITE THIS IN BOLD LETTERS AND CAPS SO MAYBE IT WILL REACH OUT AND SLAP YOU UPSIDE YOUR HEAD. THIS THREAD IS DISCUSSING WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF BOWE FACED LEWIS IN HIS FIRST DEFENSE AFTER BEATING HOLYFIELD.
    Do you honestly believe that Lewis was still a better fighter than Bowe at that time, because he beat Razor Ruddock and Bowe only beat Evander Holyfield up to that point?:huh
    I dont think Bowe is a great fighter only based on the fact he beat Holyfield. If you cant see why he was a great fighter, maybe you should go and watch his earlier fights. He didnt struggle or get knocked out by Mcall or Rahman level opposition during his prime and his game was more complete than any other big man to date.
    Oh by the way, Michael Moorer was a great fighter.
     
  5. Shotgun

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    He struggled with an out of shape Tony Tubbs and got a very narrow decision. Aside from his fights with Holyfield and Golota 99% of the opponents he fought were below McCall and Rahman's level so that isn't saying much

    He wasn't a complete fighter, that's a myth that's grown with age. He's only complete if you look the other way and ignore his complete lack of defense or his very average outside game. These deficiences were exposed badly against Golota and they were also exposed against Tubbs. They would've been exposed badly if he got into the ring with Lewis, but that's why Rock Newman kept him away from that fight. Deficiences are covered up when you fight exclusively against opponents who don't have the tools or styles to expose them
     
  6. Loufatski

    Loufatski Boxing Junkie banned

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    Doesn't work like that. To KO or drop a guy you have to catch him on the right spot at the right time. Guys with better chins (aka stronger necks) recover, while others lay there.
     
  7. Loufatski

    Loufatski Boxing Junkie banned

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    This is true. I've been saying this all along. Lewis fought "OK" fighters. The fact that Bowe dominated Holyfield means a lot.
     
  8. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    PLEASE READ POST 84
    He didnt struggle with Tubbs allbeit one of Bowes lesser performances. You too need to read the original post, about the timing of this fight. Were not talking about the Bowe that faced Golota, or the Lewis that faced Rahman. Were talking closer to the Lewis that faced Mcall. Anyway, whats worse getting knocked out by Mcall or winning a unanimous decision against Tubbs in a somewhat competive fight? At the time this fight would have happened Bowe was a far superior professional fighter. 99% of his competition was not below Rahman and Mcall levels, not to mention he wasnt knocked out by them either.
    Its ok to not like Bowe because he became a lazy slob, but to call him an average fighter with an average outside game is not even close.
     
  9. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well Lefthook, ya been schooled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  10. Loufatski

    Loufatski Boxing Junkie banned

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    The Bowe that faced Golota is Bowe, period. It's not like it was 10 years after the Holyman fights. Boxers are in the buisiness and they come to fight. Bowe had 2 chances and he was permanently disabled. End of story.
     
  11. Vanboxingfan

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    So who are you. You're probably not Bowe, but maybe you're a kid of his, or a cousin (na you can't be that old), or a nephew.

    The fact is Bowe was someone with tons of potential, similar to Douglas. Look at the hype he gets, some say the Douglas that fought Tyson would have beaten ANY other fighter, why? because he beat Tyson and Tyson's a great fighter. It doesn't matter that he didn't do anything else before or afterwards, he must of been great on that night because well he beat Tyson. It couldn't be because Tyson was out of shape and didn't train much and consequently fought like crap, now could it?

    Except for the Holyfield fights, which are basically a bad style match up for Holyfield, Bowe was a lot of unrealized potential and as such he would have most assuredly have lost to Lewis if he chose to fight him in '93, and the fact he chose not even though he signed an agreement to fight the winner of the Ruddock - Lewis fight, speaks volumes about what he too felt the outcome of a match up would be. This is the same Lewis who beat him in the amateurs and took away his gold metal, which is something people dream about, and train to get, for years and years. It was the perfect time to avenge this loss. But the fact is he knew that between his loss to Lewis years earlier and Lewis' total destruction of Ruddock that he thought he too would be subject to the same experience that Ruddock faced, the same Ruddock who put up a good effort against Tyson, and so he persued a different course of action. It's pretty hard to interpret events much differently than this, given that this is what actually happened.
     
  12. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Way to go when you cant come up with a logical retort.:good
    I have answered his post like yours.
     
  13. Vanboxingfan

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    Actually I did, and it was right above your post, which you conveniently chose to ignore it. Smart move. :yep
     
  14. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Not really my friend. Thats like saying the Roy Jones that fought Tarver in the second fight is the same Roy Jones that was schooling LH's previous to the RUiz fight. Certain things fighters do to their bodies can drastically alter their performances, and Bowe was not a disciplined athelete on his offtime
    Bowe lost his discipline to train and maintain himself as a pro fighter, and his skills went down quickly. Maybe the wars with Holyfield, and the rapid weight gains and losses, made Bowe a shot fighter a lot quicker, but its clear it wasnt the same Bowe that fought Holyfield in the first fight.
    Regardless of what you think about the Bowe that faced Golota, we are not talking about that. We are talking about the Bowe,(who doesnt even physically look the same as the Bowe who faced Golota :lol: ) who beat Holyfield to win the title. Then THAT Bowe would fight Lewis. Who wins?
     
  15. lefthook31

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    So thats your excuse for why Bowe was no good, because it was a bad matchup for Holyfield? Cmon your making yourself look really bad here. How can you compare Douglas to Bowe? Douglas didnt defend his title twice, or regain another portion of the title either. Plus he was knocked out by Holyfield in three rounds. The same Holyfield that Bowe kicked the crap out of.
    The fact is Bowe did realize his potential, he just couldnt sustain it, like so many other fighters in the past. Douglas besides the Tyson fight, never got any further, besides a weak post coma comeback, where he was knocked out in two fights.
    As far as Ruddock, he was never the same after getting brutalized by Tyson, thats why I think too much emphasis was put on that performance to say Lewis would easily beat Bowe. Look at the events following Lewis' win over Ruddock. Lackluster performances, and a KO loss to Mcall.