What if buster Douglas had beaten tucker

No you are still looking at this in terms of names rather than the more important factors like recent form or suitability to contest for a title.

Douglas best win was not Greg Page. If it was (and I don't think it was) is Tony Tubbs on what logic, in light of who buster was beating, would Tubbs somehow be elevated into a position of being a more suitable Tyson contestant over 1990 Douglas when Tubbs wasn't fighting anyone with a pulse - and for Tyson deliberately ate himself out of a bonus and had his coach walked out on him "for being no condition to fight".

The losses Douglas had to mediocrities were so long ago and often in evenly matched contests against unbeaten guys. How many times did Bruno or Tubbs beat or get matched as "the opponent" before fighting Tyson?

 

This has to be just about the most wordy post possible. Douglas beat marginally better opposition than Tubbs in the year prior to his title shot. The difference is Tubbs was established as a world class fighter and former title holder wheras Douglas was a barely top ten who struggled at world level and lower multiple times. Tubbs had a single close loss to Witherspoon and would go on to nearly beat Bowe. The difference in resume between these two excluding Tyson is enormous.

 

Why should Tubbs having a single loss to Witherspoon be such a feather in Tonys cap? Mike Williams also had a single SD loss to Witherspoon when Douglas knocked him out! And check out the condition of the Witherspoon Mike fought compared to the one Tubbs fought, then get back to me.

I think Douglas "going on" to knock out Mike Tyson kind of trumps Tubbs "going on" to only giving a green Riddick Bowe a close fight.

Tony Tubbs resume was always ridiculously thin anyway and he was absent entirely of even decent competition for at least two years going into the Tyson fight. The three guys Tubbs beat over two years since beating Greg page had 23 defeats between them. The last three guys Douglas beat going into the Tyson fight had world ratings.

In fact, after they both beat Page back to back there was nothing better on Tubbs's resume than Douglas's. nothing.

Tubbs beat page within months of Douglas beating him and for the Tyson fught had never beat a remotely sensible opponent since. The only difference between the Page that Tubbs fought compared to the Page Douglas fought was that Greg was 1-2 in his last three fights against Tubbs compared to 1-3 against Douglas.

Let's not forget Tubbs is the only challenger in history to have his coach walk out of camp and say "he can't fight because he is no condition to fight" ahead of a title fight. This together with him deliberately eating so as to miss out on a bonus makes Tubbs possibly the most inadequate challenger of all time.

 

So if Tubbs were Tyson's worst challenger (he's not), that would make Douglas second worst. Great. Douglas was losing to Jessie Ferguson when Tubbs was beating Page. Tubbs later beat Ferguson too.

 

Tubbs was Tysons worst challenger bar none. What other challenger to Tyson deliberately lost a bonus to come in shape so that he had an alibi for losing or had a coach walk out on him???

Douglas fought Ferguson when Jesse had already knocked out Reggie Gross and was an unbeaten prospect of 11-0 in jesse's hometown. It was a majority decision that should have went Busters way, but Jesse was the prospect then and a lot more capable than he was by the time he fought Tubbs some seven years and nine defeats later!!

Jesse wasn't even winning half of his fights by the time Tubbs out pointed him. But back when Douglas fought him Jesse was live and for real. The fight is on YouTube. Judge for yourself.

 

I'm pretty sure you haven't watched much of Tubbs. He was dripping with skill even if his conditioning and management left something to be desired.

 

No I saw all of his fights coming up. He looked ok against bonecrusher but not as good as Holmes or Bruno did against him. Tubbs Always had talent. even as a veteran fighter. But he did not want to fight Tyson and you can only count his actual wins.

Before the Tyson loss Tubbs had beat Page years earlier, and that is really it. A long time before. A lot of people had beat Page too. Bey already beat Page. So had Berbick already beat Page. By the time Tubbs fought Tyson Page was not even rated anymore. By then Page was losing to 5-5 mark wills and old joe Bugner.

If Tubbs fought Douglas anytime between the Tucker fight and the Tyson fight Tubbs would have been crucified.

 

He almost beat Witherspoon around the time Douglas got stopped by Tucker. There's nothing to indicate any sort of crucification.

 

No you haven't got a leg to stand on here, Tubbs was not almost beating Witherspoon "around the time Douglas got stopped by Tucker" at all. Tubbs lost to Witherspoon in 1986. In that year, the same month, the same ring, the same evening, on the same show, Douglas beat Page! And by beating Page on that night buster had equaled Tubbs most recent and only world level victory. The next world level opponent Tubbs fought was Tyson, another defeat, so Tubbs never went on from that. So where does Tubbs surpass Douglas? Surely he has to win against a guy Douglas can't beat? He never did this after Page or before Tyson.

Tubbs was the least adequate challenger to Tyson.

 

Tubbs wasn't the worst Tyson challenger.

 

Tubbs was the least equipped challenger to fight Tyson when he fought Tyson. Larry Holmes was unrated and retired but nobody walked out on him and said he was in no shape to fight like Tony Tubbs chief coach did.

Douglas was a better challenger than Tony Tubbs. He was actually the best prepared in form challenger of that title reign. Nobody else was beating three decent guys a year.

Spinks had a higher regard but he was ill prepared and let himself down.

Smith, Tucker, Biggs, berbick, Williams and Douglas were better prepared to contest for a title than Thomas, Holmes and Tubbs. Spinks and Bruno lacked relevant competition.

 

You just make it up as you go along Chok. Most of your post is pure speculation and poor speculation at that. Perhaps the worst is highlighted.

Lets go from 1987. 3 decent guys a year you claim. In 87 he basically quit against Tucker and then beat Donnie Long who had been ko'd by Tyson in just his 9th fight years earlier!!!! So lets write 1987 off for Buster.

1988 - He beats Davis, Halstead and Williams. Davis was 13-6 and lost 6 of his previous 8 fights. He had lost 4 in a row going in to the Douglas fight. You however categorise him as "decent" to suit this particular agenda. What a joke. Halstead had been resoundingly beaten by Tubbs the year before and ko'd by Page well before that. Williams is a decent fighter and a decent win, absolutely. That's one decent win in 88. So lets write off 88 too.

1989 - Just two fights, wins over Berbick and McCall. Decent for sure, but where's the third Chok? Lets also write off 89!

Three decent wins a year? He only had 2 fight in 89 and he only had one win in 87 as well as the quit vs Tucker.

That leaves us with 88 and that's already been taken apart. He had one decent win.

Your claim he was beating 3 decent guys a year is a blatant lie.

The best in form challenger of that reign? Spinks had never lost a fight for starters. Tucker had beaten your main man Douglas prior to his challenge of Tyson and won some 33 fights in a row prior to that.

I could go on and on but how much more really need be said. You need to seriously think about things before you post.

 

An example of the hopeless task Tucker had before him.


"LAS VEGAS — The culmination of an 18-month, $31-million tournament probably should deliver something more than a "jeweled scepter" (from Felix the Jeweler, Las Vegas), a chinchilla royal robe (courtesy of Lenobel Furriers, Las Vegas) and a crown that the promoter assures is studded with "baubles, rubies and fabulous doodads" (Woolworth's?).

Certainly, the wrap-up of the heavyweight title unification series, which once seemed a worthy and much-anticipated goal, should be attended by something more than the dime-store controversy that has been breaking out around it.

--Did Mike Tyson bolt training camp to visit his starlet girlfriend in Los Angeles, or did he return to see a sick old lady in the Catskills?

--Will Tony Tucker, promised a purse of $1.9 million, see even $100,000 by fight's end?

--Can Dennis Rappaport, with the flick of an injunction in New York, halt the entire enterprise the day before the fight?

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--Finally, who has the more interesting head of hair, Tyson, with a growing patch of baldness above his forehead (a reverse Kareem), or Tucker, who flew in his own stylist and, one presumes, an industrial-sized drum of gel?

Lost in all of this is the sheer significance of tonight's HBO fight at the Hilton Hotel, which unifies the division, giving boxing one champion for the first time since 1978. Resolved, finally, are the claims from the three rival organizations, each with its own champion and list of contenders. When Tyson, representing the World Boxing Council and World Boxing Assn., meets Tucker, representing the International Boxing Federation, tonight, it will be to decide the heavyweight champion of the world.

Unfortunately, two factors conspire to undermine the aforementioned significance and allow the fight to sink into the aforementioned controversy.

--Former IBF champion Michael Spinks, just as undefeated as Tyson (30-0) and Tucker (35-0), lurks out there. Even though Spinks escaped the tournament to fight Gerry Cooney (or duck Tyson, depending on your point of view), there are some supporters who insist there can't be one champion until he is finally beaten.

--Tonight's fight, the finale, what promoter Don King bills as "Glory Hallelujah!" is expected to be entirely non-competitive. Tucker, who was unimpressive in winning the vacant IBF title from Buster Douglas, is a 15-1 underdog in some places to unseat Tyson, at 21 already a veteran of three title fights.

Given that, it is little wonder prefight publicity has been reduced to speculation about Tyson's love life or Tucker's curious financial picture. In fact, it is possible to wonder whether the promoters aren't actually pleased by these mini-controversies.

The Rappaport injunction, granted late Thursday night, almost transcended mini-controversy, in fact nearly jeopardized the fight, right up to Friday afternoon. Rappaport, better known as Cooney's manager, last year bought 21% of Tucker's contract and future earnings from Tucker's father/manager for $50,000. The last deal made like this in New York involved some Indians and $24, and assorted beads and doodads.

Bob Tucker, not unlike the Zero Mostel character in "The Producers," has often solved short-term cash problems by selling percentages of his son's future. Emanuel Steward, better known as Thomas Hearns' manager, holds 10% of Tucker's contract as well. The problem has been that Tucker has so far refused to pay anything to Rappaport, saying Rappaport breached the contract by not doing anything for Tucker's career beyond contribute the $50,000.

So Rappaport gained a lien of $540,000 against Tucker for his share of the last four fights and tonight's. But, realizing that Tucker's money was in a letter of credit payable to the fighter, Rappaport went one step further, gaining an injunction to stop the fight until his share was deposited in escrow.

On Friday, Clark Co. District Court Judge Addeliar Guy overturned the injunction, ruling that Tucker must comply with the court order--deposit the $540,000 in escrow--by Monday. There would be a later hearing to determine the actual amount, if any, Rappaport is to receive.

This only served to highlight Tucker's financial problems, which might be comical if he didn't have to face Tyson on top of everything else. His big payday, by some accounts, has shrunk to less than $90,000. How is that possible, given a figure of $1.9 million? Well, various promoters were given $700,000 to step aside and let King, HBO and Hilton go ahead with the fight. There was $100,000 for training expenses, $540,000 for Rappaport, $209,000 for Bob Tucker, $110,000 for Steward, about $30,000 for sanctioning fees, about $66,000 for trainers and cornermen. Taxes took some, too.

This is in a growing tradition of Tyson fights. Someone who saw Pinklon Thomas's actual paycheck after his Tyson fight said, after various liens and attachements, it was for $30,000. It hardly pays to fight Tyson.." -Richard Hoffer L.A Times.

 

Douglas beat Mike Williams, Trevor Berbick and Oliver McCall within a year. Between June 1987 and July 1988 is a year. I am sorry, It's not a lie.

Tell me who else was recording those kinds of wins within that kind of schedule.

 

You just dig it deeper, and deeper, and deeeeeeeper.