What if Caleb Plant were to convincingly outbox Canelo

You're pathetic calling Plant garbage. If you don't think he can beat Canelo that's one thing. Calling him garbage is an extreme exaggeration. He's a very talented fighter. You have no clue what you're talking about. You know, some people are excited for this fight, they are excited to see an undisputed SMW Champ crowned for the first time ever. And here you are already trying to take what should be a monumental night and take the fun out of it by calling Plant garbage. You're an embarrassment to this forum by hating on Plant like that.

 

Garbage, plain and simple

 

Up to a point, yes.

If you hold a belt, all the top contenders will want to fight you - if you want to build a resume, a major belt is the easiest way to do it, it removes any reasons for people to duck you AND allows you to get decent cuts from more proven fighters... If you've held a belt and still fought only bums, that's on you - the longer you've held that belt, the more that is the case (Wilder comes to mind).

Let's be honest, if you don't believe in yourself enough to fight contenders, why should anyone else believe you're not garbage if you yourself don't?!

 

Going undisputed is a big deal, even if it is in a poor division this time... But pointing out that certain fighters aren't that good isn't "taking the fun out of it", it's an honest and perfectly reasonable assessment of the state of LHW.

And Plant is still clearly not as talented or as proven as BJS, there is zero reason to think he has even a 1/10 chance.

 

There you go again trying to artificially inflate AJ's resume again...

 

Resumes are for job interviews. A boxer's skills is what's important. Yes this is a big step up in competition for Plant, but it's clear that he has the skills to compete. Styles make fights, what Plant has is good all around skills, good upper body movement, and good defense. This is what you need to hang in there against Canelo. And most importantly, he believes in himself and even more than that, he is putting in the work. I think it would be foolish for anyone to count him out or say he has no chance. I doubt he will lay down, if you look how hard he is training and how determined he is to win, it's inspiring. Saunders on the other hand never showed this kind of committment in the gym in the lead up to fighting Canelo that Plant has. Plant is taking this super serious, and he's going to have an extra long training camp to prepare. We always gotta hear a bunch of BS when it comes to Canelo fights. First it was "they can't fight in September because Plant won't have a long enough training camp". Then it gets pushed back 2 months, now it's "well it doesn't matter Plant's garbage anyway". How about we just appreciate that these two made this fight happen. We are all being treated to a rare event in boxing, a true legitimiate battle for Undisputed. Instead of trying to bring negativity to this match, instead of trying to rain on this parade, we should be celebrating this momentous event. This is a time as a boxing fan to be excited. I am excited to see what Plant can do against Canelo.

 

That you are.

 

Not up to a point. It's mental, it's complete and total bonkers to say Plant is garbage. Plenty of people wanted to see Canelo fight him for years. This always happens every time Canelo fights someone who fans say he should fight. A few years back when Canelo fought Fielding, he was criticized for not taking on the legit World Champ Callum Smith in his first fight at a new weight class. People said Callum Smith would give him problems. Then he fights him completely schools him then Callum is garbage. Plenty of people on this forum said Saunders is all wrong for Canelo, some posters said Saunders would school Canelo. Then it happens. Canelo stops him, makes him retire on his stool. Then crickets. Now Plant, now Canelo makes this fight happen, now the same kind of BS is happening all over gain. Now Plant is garbage, has no chance so if Canelo wins he gets no credit. Stop defending the indefensible. Plant is not garbage, and anyone who says he's garbage isn't a real boxing fan, isn't to be taken seriously, and frankly is a complete clown.

If you don't think he can beat Canelo, if you don't think he's fought good enough fighters, that's one thing. But to say he's garbage is complete nonsense and there's no defending that kind of disrespect towards Plant. He's a very talented fighter who personally I think is capable of giving Canelo a real test. Unlike Saunders he's a legit full fledged SMW, he's not some blown up Middleweight. He's got a lot going for him and if you can't see that, then I don't think boxing is the sport for you. I'm so sick and tired of these butthurt Canelo obsessed clowns who come on here trying to discredit his opponents again and again because they don''t want to see Canelo get credit if he wins. This is pathetic behavior.

 

Not in boxing.

Resumes point to what level your skills have been tested at - it's impossible to guage skills without considering the level of the opposition.

This isn't a sport like, for example, motor racing where there are objective measures of performance (eg: lap times) irrespective of opponents around you - the quality and performance of the opponent has a direct and significant effect on the ability of a boxer to fight to the best of his own abilities.

It's clear that he has the skills to compete against journeymen and win... It absolutely is NOT clear that he has the skills to compete against a far more proven (at a much higher level) fighter like Canelo.

Again, though, BJS was far more elusive and better defensively than Plant - neither had/has the power to worry Canelo, which makes it easy for him to just walk them down (which he did with BJS and will do again).

You could put Plant in with Canelo 20 times and I wouldn't back him to win one.

 

All I will say is that this is a much tougher fight than a lot of people appreciate and it could go either way.

 

Saunders wasn't elusive enough against Canelo. If the Saunders who fought David Lemiuex showed up, and that was what I was worried about, then I'd agree with you, especially when he demanded a bigger ring. But the way Saunders fought all hunched over and in the pocket was not being elusive. He didn't need a bigger ring fighting that way and he was knocked out. Plant is a much better fighter than Saunders was when he fought Canelo. He will not fight all hunched over like Saunders did, I don't see him being there to hit and stop like Saunders was. Plant has the ability to be super elusive, and he is training his ass off. Unlike Saunders, Plant is fundamentally sound. He has a long reach, he's tall, he's not going to be easy for Canelo to beat. I don't care who he's fought, who he has fought doesn't has anything to do with what he's capable of now.

 

Just like your scoring of fights xx

 

Can you believe these losers calling Plant garbage? Such disrespect for Plant.

 

Nice. Bookmarking this post where you call Canelo "Caleb Plant level". It will mature like a fine stilton.

 

So disrespectful to BJS, clearly far more accomplished and talented than Plant will ever be.

And who he's fought has EVERYTHING to do with what it's reasonable to expect he's capable of. If you can't see that, you have no business talking about boxing or getting frumpy about fighters being disrespected for never having done anything.