What if Caleb Plant were to convincingly outbox Canelo

Yeah but the point is he has a thin resume but people still recognize how good he is, and rate him highly. My point was that you don't need to see a fighter fight top fighters to recognize how good a fighter is. People clearly have done that with Crawford. Hell he was ranked P4P #1 by a lot of people for many years despite not really ever fighting a top fighter.

 

Tank looks like a beast because he fights lesser opponents than he really should be (a bit like Wilder did) - anyone can look like an unstoppable beast when they're refusing to fight against suitable level opponents.

It doesn't always - sometimes the less proven fighter comes good and surprises everyone (Lopez-Loma, Fury-Wlad, etc) but more often than not that's not what happens is the far more proven fighter comes out superior.

It's not that less proven fighters can't be better, it's that the higher up the levels you go, the less people attain each level - for every fighter at a given level, a small proportion will reach the level above, then a small proportion the level above that, etc.
It's not that Plant can't be far better than he's proven, it's that the odds are heavily against it, and you'd have to be mad to expect this to be competitive whej Canelo is proven a good 2 levels above Plant.

 

you must have missed the part about cleaning out a division. what has plant done even remotely on the same level of testing?

 

You really, really can't tell how good a fighter is regardless of competition.

That is a lunatic statement.

Someone like Wilder bowling through cans with ease looked like a top level fighter, many even ranked him #1, but he'd proven nothing and the first time he fought someone with a resume above gatekeeper level he got completely dismantled...

Resumes are really, really important for guaging what a particular dominant performance is actually worth.

 

I'm not disputing that he hasn't cleaned out a division. Reminder - Plant was said to be a "garbage" fighter, that's what I took exception with. I never argued he has a great resume or has fought a high level of competition.

 

Sure you can. You can get a basic sense of how good a fighter is even if he's fighting bums.

It's important, but it's not the be all end all. And again this needs to be brought back to what I took exception with - the claim that Plant is a garbage fighter who has no chance to beat Canelo. That's what I took exception with. I never said resume wasn't important or anything like that. I'm simply saying you can tell how good a fighter even if he's not fighting top competition, just by watching him fight and getting a sense of how good of a fighter is. And if you don't agree with that, then surely you can tell that a fighter isn't garbage, which was the main point here. Plant was called a garbage fighter. He's clearly not garbage, there's no way a fighter who is undefeated who is a world title holder can be considered garabge. Maybe we can't say he's great yet because of who he fought, that's fine, but don't tell me a fighter like Plant is garbage because of his resume or because of who he fought.

 

ok, in comparison to you and i, no hes not garbage. in comparison to alvarez, hes levels below. i dont need to look at resume to confirm that. i can just watch them fight. resumes just confirm what im seeing.

 

I think he is garbage

Get over it

 

The way I see it man is that Plant is a pretty big unknown. He hasn't really fought anyone great but he has a unique skill set, he's defensively sound, he uses upper body movement, this combined with the physical advantages he has, I think Plant is uniquely suited to give Canelo problems. That doesn't mean he will, but I think he is capable of giving Canelo a competitive 12 rounds.

 

I guess that's kinda what i was aiming for

Garbage in comparison to Canelo


But Shadow as always over reacts and proceeds to write nonsensical essays

 

Well some of the posters have really low IQ and intellect.

 

Bit harsh on Shadow lol

 

Many many times I have picked right to numerous to remember such as how Joe Joyce would beat Dubois make him quit because he was in over his head and a stupid match up at this stage of his development amongst others. Canelo to beat Lil G etc.

 

As you know I call it like I see it though was not referring to him. The morons know who they are.