What if Caleb Plant were to convincingly outbox Canelo

Maybe your right because if anyone knows about saying stupid stuff on a forum its you lol

 

The funniest thing about this is that I'm supposedly some delusional Canelo fan, but yet I'm the one giving Plant a chance and ya'll are saying Canelo is so unbelievably good that Plant has no chance whatsoever. Do you realize you're inadvertently hyping Canelo to the moon here?

I don't know if you're new to boxing, but in this sport anything can happen. There are levels but this is the theater of the unexpected. As it would seem, Canelo is levels above Plant, sure, but that doesn't mean something unexpected can't happen. Do you have any idea how many posters on here have made the argument countless times how Canelo isn't even anything special, but just gets gift decisions all the time because there's some judging conspiracy involving him. But now he's levels above Plant and it's blasphemy to even suggest that Plant has a chance? This is becoming comical. If you think this is a mismatch that's your opinion but I don't see it that way. I see this as a tough fight for Canelo. Only time will tell who is right about this fight. But I don't see any reason to act like this is gonna be some walk in the park for Canelo when we don't know that.

So we disagree that this fight is competitive, but we agree that Plant isn't garbage. Cool, I have no problem with that. I understand that some people think that Canelo will dominate Plant, I see it differently. I guess I just don't think Canelo is as unstoppable or as unbeatable as you do. I think a guy like Plant can give him problems.

 

Reminder, you're the one who said that Plant is garbage. That was a stupid thing to say.

 

Reminder

You are the one that wrote numerous times Canelo taught Floyd to fight on the ropes

Now that was a stupid thing to say

 

You continue to deflect and deviate from what you said tough guy. Because you know you can't defend what you said about Plant. Canelo did in fact teach Floyd how to fight on the ropes. It happened in the 10th round. Maybe you should go back and review the footage before calling something I said in the past stupid when it's precisely what happened.

 

Ive watched it

I dint think he did whats so ever

And tough guy? Have i indicated that to you?

 

Hell no... Rating Canelo as elite is incontrovertible - Plant on the other hand is not proven to be elite, there's at least one level between them and possibly two.

This is more than a bit rich coming from you!

It doesn't mean it can't happen, but it does mean it's incredibly unlikely...

Yes, when the unlikely happens it generates a buzz, and it keeps things interesting, but you don't go expecting close fights when the evidence suggests it won't be just because you'd like it to be interesting, that's crazy talk.

No, it's simpler than that.

Canelo IS undeniably levels above Plant.

And what's comical is suggesting Plant has a chance just because we'd all rather see a competitive fight than the blowout that anyone who knows anything about boxing is expecting it to be.

That's fine... I can see why you'd want it to be competitive, it's more fun that way, but I prefer to look at evidence and all the evidence points towards this being a mismatch just like BJS.

**** me, how many times.

Look at their damned resumes and you'll see it as plain as the dick on your forehead - you could sail an aircraft carrier through the chasm between their resumes.

When levels are involved like this, there is every reason to expect it to be straightforward... Especially as Canelo is not like Fury and does not struggle with motivation, he's a consummate professional and always turns up fully prepared.

I don't necessarily think he's unstoppable, I just think you're going to need a fighter much closer to his level before you're going to see it.

It's not impossible, it's just extremely unlikely.

And I don't base my predictions on exceptionally unlikely outcomes, I just go with the evidence and the evidence suggests this ain't close.

 

BJS was a mismatch? Didn't a lot of people have it scored close or even at the time of the stoppage? Last time I checked many fans argued that Saunders was winning. But to you it was a mismatch.

Here's the difference, maybe this'll make sense to you. Canelo is generally a low-output fighter, he's notoriously a slow starter. He's not a fighter that generally works behind the jab. In the past he's given away rounds to fighters. Plant can jab, Plant can stick and move, Plant can evade shots with upper body movement. You see the problem for Canelo? If Plant can stick and move, and avoid Canelo's big shots, there's no reason to believe that the rounds wouldn't be close. This is what I don't get about the idea that it won't be competitive. Most of the rounds vs Saunders were either close or Saunders rounds. The question then becomes will Plant get hurt, knocked out. Even even if you think so, then there's still a good chance that it would be competitive before that happens. So you arguing that it's not going to even be competitive doesn't really make any sense because most of Canelo's fights are competitive on a round by round basis. Remember Canelo's the guy who's known for having all these close controversial decisions, with crazy judges who give him too many rounds remember. But now Plant can't even be remotely competitive on a round by round basis? That doesn't really make any sense. If Saunders, a blown up middleweight who didn't even fight the way he should have fought to give himself the best chance to win, could still be competitive for 7-8 rounds, then why can't Plant, a fighter who, unlike Saunders who in retrospect appeared to peak years ago, is a natural SMW and now is arguably at his peak and is clearly putting in the work in the gym getting in the best shape of his life?

But Plant doesn't have to win to be competitive. He could be competitive win some rounds then fade late as many predict. That still wouldn't qualify as not being competitive whatsoever which is what you are arguing.

What evidence? There's no evidence out there that will tell you what will happen in a boxing match. If that were the case, there would be no need for fighters to fight since results could just be predicted by looking at resumes. I see a close fight here with Canelo being taken to the limit. I think you're underrating Plant and not giving him a chance. Of course I would give the edge to Canelo but I rate Plant. I think he's a lot better then people think and I think we're going to see a much better version of Plant in November than we ever seen from him before.

 

And you're the one who deems himself to be in a position to condescend?

I'm finished trying to educate you, you DKSAB and never will and I'm clearly wasting my time.

 

When have I ever "deemed myself to be in a position to condescend"? We're debating how competitive Canelo vs Plant will be. We see it differently, no reason for you to get upset over anything I'm saying.

Sounds like you're the one talking down to me like you know better. I'm challenging what you're saying because I happen to disagree with your view of the matchup. I give Plant a chance, you don't. All we can do is make our points and explain why.

 

Guys, this is real simple.

The best win on Caleb Plant's record is José Uzcategui. And hey, credit where credit is due; Jose was a (bottom-half) top ten fighter in the Super-middleweight division and a belt holder, and for the first eight rounds it was the Caleb Plant show: dominating in the pocket, dominating outside the pocket, elusive, landing heavy shots, and scoring two knockdowns. He looked like an emerging star. Then rounds 9 thru 12 happened. exhausted, flatfooted, constantly allowing the ring to be cut off, forced to clinch while eating punches. He did NOT look like the same fighter from the front half of the fight at all. If Uzcategui could do that to Plant when he had the performance of his life...what's a superior pressure fighter with better accuracy, more power, and superior defense going to do, significantly earlier to boot?

Nor does Caleb Plant's resume outside the Uzcategui fight leave one room to point and say, "well, maybe he learned/is even better than we saw/something-something positive". You can make an argument that the second-best name on his resume is Rogelio Medina for goodness sake. Hell, between him, Andrew Hernandez, and Jose, you could easily argue that his three fights leading up to and including winning the belt are far more impressive than his three after the fact (Mike Lee? Figenbutts? The Ghost of Caleb Truax? Please.)

In short, he doesn't have anywhere near the quality of wins to suggest he can do Caleb Plant things to Canelo(ish) level opponents, and the one win he does have that doesn't make someone roll their eyes he showed vulnerabilities that Canelo is very good at exploiting. Could he make it more competitive than his performances (both overall and recent) suggests? Sure, I guess, if you think that Canelo taking a bit of time to get going will allow Caleb to pile up points. But why is that any more likely a scenario than say, Caleb breaking his hand early and being conservative with his own punches, something we saw that in the Truax fight? Speculation is a two-way street, and highlighting all the stuff that could go super-right for Plant while ignoring the stuff that can go super-wrong is just building him up to something he hasn't proven himself to be.

And Christ if there was ever a fight that didn't need nine pages devoted to it (let alone several posts that can be measured in paragraphs), it's this one.

 

You literally said yourself Saunders hadn't looked good in his previous fights and was a 160lber lol... Which is all true he's a blown up 160lber and looked absolute mediocre in his last 3 fights. BJS hadn't fought a world level opponent since Lemieux it 2017..thats 3-4 years of fighting tune ups essentially. This is not to mention BJS won his belt of Shefat Isufi which was literally gifted by Frank Warren and his WBO connections.

There really is a limited amount of metrics to go on other than these when judging how "good" a fighter currently is. It seems like your criteria is if a fighter is undefeated and belt holder that means it's a good win.. Which is just clearly a complete avoidance of context.

Can you just answer why you would give credit to Canelo for fighting this Billy Joe?

 

Seems like he's putting in the work in the gym which could improve his stamina. I just think there's a big difference between the preparation he made for his fights in the past vs how he's preparing for Canelo. Obviously he has to up his game and reach another level in camp to have a real chance against Canelo. Do you think we could see a much improved Plant compared to what we've seen from him in the past? He's going to end up having a very long camp to prepare for Canelo. That can only help Plant. Plant's motivation and determination I think is a big factor here. I think a lot of people are making the mistake of looking at Plant from the past and worrying about him gassing and not considering the possibility that we could see a much improved Plant in November.

 

I'm late to the party on this one, but I believe the answer to the original question is:

"There would be a lot of happy posters here".
And also, "There would be a lot of very surprised posters here".