What if Carlos Monzon had of been born 15 years earlier?

he would have been a Billy Conn, meaning he would have been a L-HW.

post war and especially into the 50s, fighters began to fight less, eventually fighting much less, having time to train down into a lower weight class than their natural selves.

15 years before, Carlos would have operated just like most all of the other fighters of that time and would have been a L-HW

 

Monzon was not a lhw and never would be. He was big mw it was all

 

I think Monzon would have had the game to beat Robinson at middleweight in the 50s.

 

SRR was as advertised, that is the GOAT, but Monzon was the better middleweight, and would have decisioned Ray....with no doubt as to the outcome. No kds, but it would have been a gruelling, at times tedious technical sort of fight, with the stronger, extremely cool and patient Monzon imposing his will on Robinson.

 

This is true, which is why I don't entertain those threads where Monzon is competing as a ltheavy. He was perfect as a middleweight, and might have been successful as a super middle.

 

Conn was naturally a little bigger than monzon, forget the weight

 

Less inferior and smaller middles than monzon moved up to light H and won titles. No doubt monzon could have with his style.

 

SRR 's Fullmer fight left hook had the power to put Monzon down (like Valdes did). Question would be: Could he keep Monzon down, and could SRR get close enough to use it.

 

If he'd been born 5 years later we probably would have seen Hagler / Monzon which would have been a super fight.

 

he was a perfect middleweight (S-MW), your right, but that's not what is being said, Monzon was a person just like everybody else, and just like everybody else we do what the 'majority' of our peers do, and at That Time & Period, the Tall naturally 170lb man/Monzon would have operated like his peers as a L-HW.

it's not about the love of the middleweight Monzon, or protecting his legacy, Monzon, Nunn, Taylor, BHop and the rest, in the 30's 40s n 50s they would have been L-HWs it's that simple, just do average size comparison's, their not going to buck the system and be a unique breed of Over 6' TALL middleweights, and just like today, He/they would be S-MWs.

it's simply just talking about their Natural Stature/Size and where that would have landed them at anytime in Boxing history... do an average size comparison in any weight division for MOST of their combatants!

 

Robinson would be just a small part of his puzzle. Picture the middleweights of the 40's and what an insanely packed era it was. Envision the minefields Monzon would have to navigate. LaMotta, Booker, Chase, Marshall, Williams, Burley, Zale, Graziano, Cerdan and plenty of others. Nobody is ever going thru that lot unscathed. Monzon would pick up some losses. He'd be right in the mix but whether he could rise to the top of a pile like that is up for debate. There would be no dominant long time reign imo. On top of that i favor SRR over him around 1950. The only kicker is whether the likes of Booker and co get a gig.

 

more likely to be this mob though - 1940s L-HWs, Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Joey Maxim, Jimmy Bivins, Gus Lesnevich, Freddie Mills, Harold Johnson, Lloyd Marshall, etc. because that's where he'd find himself fighting.

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_Light_Heavyweight--1940s

or these guys if it's the 1950s you plant him in...

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_Light_Heavyweight--1950s