What if Don King never existed?

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  1. sweetsci

    sweetsci Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The thread about Don King's influence on Mike Tyson got me wondering. What if he never existed, or at least never got into boxing?

    He put on some great cards. I don't think that can be argued. He brought a lot of money into the game. But a lot things got fishy after King came on the scene. Shifts of power at the sanctioning bodies. Proliferation of sanctioning bodies. Proliferation of new weight divisions. Questionable title stripping. Questionable rankings. Boxing migrating from free TV to cable to PPV. 12 round title fights. Questionable decisions.

    Coincidence? His engineering and maneuvering? What would boxing look like today with no Don King? The same? Vastly different?
     
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  2. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Another promoter would have promoted the fights he promoted and probably have been just as successful. In that situation I don't think Don King is rare. He stepped into a situation where other promoters could have also promoted. Promoted as well? Maybe not, but it would have been done.
     
  3. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    As the above poster said, another promoter comes out of the woodwork and makes the big bouts of the future.
     
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  4. Jamal Perkins

    Jamal Perkins Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Pernell & richard you beat me to it.

    I think another hustler type would have emerged...maybe a more sophisticated Harold Smith or Rock Newman type...but really Don was leagues above these guys...don was leagues above a lowlife hustler.....King was incredibly intelligent,educated,personable,great with accounts/numbers..he could mix with kings and the media...but he was a street thug and hoodlum too...thats a very rare combination....dogs devour each other unless theres a whip...don controlled some pretty uncontrollable characters in the 1980s..he did it by some dubious means arguably....but he bought lavish purses to the sport.

    In Britain we had a young guy Ambrose Mendy..who at one time threatened to be the British Don King...he was the quintessential yuppie...but left the scene after his alliance with nigel benn ended
     
  5. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Like Don King used to spout, Only In America, Lol. But you guys had one too.
     
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  6. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The world would be a better place.

    Nah there would be another sociopath to fill the void.
     
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  7. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think all that happens even without King.
     
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  8. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Don truly lived the (wrestler) Dusty Rhodes line: “I have dined with kinds and queens, and I’ve slept in alleys and dined on pork and beans.”
     
  9. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Tyson wouldn't have someone to kick when he'd had a bad day?
     
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  10. Jamal Perkins

    Jamal Perkins Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lol exactly!
     
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  11. Jamal Perkins

    Jamal Perkins Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes that incident deserves a thread of its own.....please do tell more...

    My understanding is,Tyson aggrieved by his finances and a sudden tax bill took to violence against King"s person.After years the penny had dropped (and not a moment too soon) and he kicked Don in the face as he tried to enter a limousine...i read it was around 1998? It shows how Dons rep as a tough guy had dropped from the 1980s when Holmes and Witherspoon were reported to fear him.

    That and I guess he was in his late 60s and all his alleged mob connections Gotti and Gravano were in prison
     
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  12. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    There might have been less fragmentation of the titles.

    Not saying that this definitely happens, but it is plausible.
     
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  13. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Yep, I believe Don probably got the worse of Tyson at certain times lol. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
     
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  14. George forearm

    George forearm The forearm of George Full Member

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    There was a lot of shifting dead bodies to
     
  15. johnmaff36

    johnmaff36 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not for 1 second cheerleading for king but a few of his cards were fantastic. Im not so sure someone else makes them cards.