What if... Hagler VS Leonard II

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  1. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well it depends how you look at it...
     
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    , he retired undefeated... would you tell me already? :patsch
     
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    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Coley Wallace
     
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    That was an amateur fight... Golden Gloves East championship or whatever... He lost a DQ once also for kneeing a guy in the stomach... UFC didn't exist back then... I thought you were fooling with a legend man... re-writing history or something!
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    Okay!

    Who was the only fighter to win titles from bantamweight to heavyweight?

    *hint* these titles can be national / continental / World titles
     
  6. TBooze

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    Wallace beat Marciano, but how did Marciano beat Wallace?
     
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    Totally depends. I think Hagler would try to force the fight even more and then his natural size would be telling. Would the ring be smaller, would it be 15 rounds?

    Hagler not having much left is a total and utter joke. Hagler and Leonard performed magnificently. Both were past their primes but coming out with sensational stuff. Does a finished fighter come out with leaping jabs that display agility, fluidity, sense of range, timing and overall sharpness! I highly doubt it. The fact both had more in reserve and a 6th gear down the stretch show they were not shot or finished.

    Ultimately I think Hagler would win but I THINK that. I KNOW Leonard beat him on the night. He rose to the occassion and he performed.

    Leonard made no secret of what he would do. He toured the chat show circuit continously having interviews. The same question was asked over and over - what the **** are you doing, you are fighting an animal! Leonard always said I'm not going to go for the ko, I know he is the bigger man. I am going to box him, use my speed, use my skill and take home the deicison. Hagler not cutting off the ring, turning the heat up quicker etc are all his fault and shows a lack of intelligence on his part. That sort of simplicity should have been etched in his mental gameplan as soon as the fight was announced.
     
  8. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Carpentier claimed titles (national) in all the classic eight, and won European titles at Lightweight though to Heavy; as well as World titles at Middle, Light Heavy and Heavy.
     
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    :D
    I knew you knew it, I was asking Einstein


    PS Actually i think it was you told me about it in the first place :lol:
     
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    Did he fight Jack Dempsey?

    EDIT: Sorry I missed Boozes post. It was an easy question though....;O)
     
  11. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well come on play fair, a youngster in Boricua -TLH with his respect and indeed knowledge of the history of this great sport should be acknowledged and nurtured IMO.
     
  12. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Id go with Leonard by close dec,I thought he just won the fight ,but it was so close all the furore mystified me,you could have given it either way imo.
     
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    Id go with Leonard by close dec,I thought he just won the fight ,but it was so close all the furore mystified me,you could have given it either way imo.This fight showed that Marvin had slipped significantly ,something that SRL had spotted,thats my take on it,Ithought Haglers corner were way too laid back as well.
     
  14. enquirer

    enquirer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A fight between hagler and leonard in their primes would have been a great battle...Leonard would have had more speed and stamina as would marvin...I think the first fight is an accurate indication of what would have happened. Over 15 rounds and in their primes i guess that ray narrowly outpoints Marvin in one of the greatest battles in ring history,Rays speed being the main deciding factor.....Just shows how great ray is to compete with one of the greatest middles of all time while being two divisions up from his natural and best weight...
     
  15. Boricua - TLH

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    Thank you Tbooze... I bet if I were born 10 years earlier I would've been able to answer the question. Believe me this is a boxing fact I will never forget.

    Nemesis, I will look for a good trivia for you in a future forum!!