What if Haye stayed at Cruiser?

Agree. Seems almost too muscular, if that's possible.

I think he thinks he needs all that muscle for a "HW punch". Maybe he does for the giant Klits.

I still would love to see some fights between the top, smaller HWs.

 

He never faced Cunningham (IBF) or Bell (former UNDISPUTED, which Haye never was).

Adamek cleaned up for him. :good

 

mormck was considered the much tougher opponent for haye out of him & bell.

& literally no-one was talking about steve cunningham. no-one. him & wlod were just the guys duking it out for the meaningless discarded title.

 

He wouldn't have as much money as he has now.
He wouldn't have achieved his childhood dream.
Now he actually has a reason to retire.
And tbh I didn't watch Haye until he moved up to HW, knew about him but wasn't interesting.

 

What is wrong with you guys??!! Get off of Haye's nuts.

Haye whole career is all hype. He has never faced anyone that was good. Cunningham was the IBF champion before he fought Enzo. After he beat Enzo he was like I've cleaned out the division. But he never fought Cunningham. Haye and his whole team did a really good job making people believers out of hope. I won't knock the mans hustle, but let's call a spade a spade.

It's 50-50 with him and Cunningham
He may have beat Tarver because his legs are pretty much done.
He beats Green and Huck.
Slight edge to him vs Lebedev (dangerous fight due to Lebedev's determination)
And Adamek would have beat him.

yeah... Haye......wow....:good

 

Who knows how Haye would have gone at cruiser? He had two title fights and then left the division. Hardly conclusive stuff.

Since then he has had one fight against a real champ and he got thrashed. He had one other fight against a legit top ten in his new division and struggled for an awful win.

A weak legacy at cruiser and an awful one at heavy.

If he had stayed at cruiser then he might have ended up with an overall better legacy. But we will never know, he may have been beaten just as badly at cruiser in his next fight, and have a terrible legacy. He is a deeply flawed boxer with shitty fundamentals - his next loss was a matter of time.

 

Adamek would whoop that ass. Haye has been avoiding him like the plague.

 

At least Steve and Wlod fought it out for a vacant title.

How exactly did Enzo come across his WBO belt:think

 

and there was always going to be better money for him at heavyweight too.

 

Definitely disagree that Haye "cleaned out the division". He beat a good Euro-contender in Fragomeni, beat an inactive and non-dominant champ in Mormeck, and then unified against hypejob Maccranelli.

Had Haye fought and beat Cunningham, Jones, Bell, and Wlod then he would have cleaned out the division, but he didn't.

Cunningham is/was the dominant crusier of this generation of fighters, not Haye. By taking Cunningham's belt, and beating former champ Bell, Adamek's claim to be cruiser lineal champ was stronger than Haye's.

 

he won a vacant title after johnny nelson retired.

i fail to see the difference.

& whether or not enzo was a great champion (imo he was not) enzo/haye was a big money fight for both guys. uss & wlod were making peanuts by comparison. cunnigham's best ever payday doesn't even come close to how much both guys got for enzo/haye.

what was haye supposed to do...

"yeah...i;m not going to move up to hw where the money is...i'm not going to take the domestic fight thats been building up for a couple of years & is worth tons of money & setanta are pushing for...i'm going to fight that guy that struggled to win the title that by right should belong to the guy i just beat; & i'm gonna earn peanuts...cos in 4 years some nerds on a forum are gonna accuse me of ducking him..."

 

in comparison to cunningham or bell mormck wasn't inactive.

he had a hell of a time getting bell into the ring tho...

 

he's lost to adamek & wlod...

never been lineal pr unified champ...

& the ****er never fights.

 

It is about the gap in earning capability.

Secondly, CW does not provide David with the path to the bigger things that David wants: [1] First Black 007 [2] Knighthood [3] "Brand Haye" [4] Etc.

Thirdly, David and Booth could not run their run their con scam at CW.

 

he was scared shitless to fight cunningham or huck. he is a ***** any way you slice it