What if Holmes ko1 Ali?

Ali?

 

Wouldn't change anything. Either way, Ali was broken down, in early stages of Parkinsons. He was on thyrolar to help his hyperthyroid condition, but it only made him lose weight and be constantly sluggish and fatigued. Ali couldn't even throw a punch, KO1 or UD15... wouldn't matter what it was.

 

Who? Sorry, having a mental block today.

 

As you're well aware, Ali discovered that Thyrolar slightly improved his speed and reflexes when taken as directed. Muhammad then figured foolishly that if a little was good, more was better, so he doubled his dose without telling anybody, trying to use Thyrolar as an athletic enhancing substance. Trouble was, when doubling the dose, Tyrolar worsens the symptoms it relieves at prescribed levels. He paid the price, and against Berbick, we caught a glimpse of what he might have been like against Holmes had he not been so recklesss. (Ali wasn't very good in the Bahamas, but he was better there than he was facing Larry.)

If Ali hadn't tampered with his Thyrolar regimen, he still wouldn't have been competitive with Holmes, but he might have lasted the distance, then stayed retired for good. (Before Larry pummeled Muhammad, Dundee said that Ali was in better shape for Holmes than he was for the rematch with Spinks. Keeping that claim in mind, I rewatched his second bout against Leon in it's entirety. Even if he did manage to get himself into better condition, there was simply no way he could have pulled off the miracle without something crooked taking place.)

 

It wouldn't have greatly affected his position, the perception, however, may have changed some minds.Ali was a warrior, and despite him being past it, him going out that soon, may have changed some minds.

 

Watching when Larry met Muhammad (I recommend it just to watch a young sparring partner of Ali (Tim Witherspoon) (figuratively) wet himself talking about his great boss), it kind drills it into me, how little that fight really mattered, as far as boxing went.

It was a painful changing of the guard fight, that we inflict on ourselves in this sport.

That is said with 30 years hindsight, as a six year old, I knew Ali would win: Who could beat Muhammad Ali, let alone stop him?

 

I do remember the black hair dye, and one of the boxing announcers mentioned it before the fight,,,,,,,and noticed during the fight, that 'black dye' was dripping down Ali's face.

Also, before the fight, didn't Ali go into one of those 'make believe quiet moods'.
'I'm not talking, wait untill after the fight'.

Maybe the best, was when he started to grow a mustache, and called himself
"Dark Gable'.

Larry Holmes was in a 'no-win' situation.
Though a good puncher, he was no one-punch guy.
It was pretty obvious though, he was pulling his punches after Round 3.
He could have taken Ali out anytime after the 5th Round.

 

You cant ask for more class being shown than when Holmes fought Ali.

He was crying in the interview after because he had just beaten up Ali. They might have actually been tears of joy for winning, but even IF that were the case, he took that moment to bow his head to Ali. And to give him the utmost respect a man can give to another by crying for him like that

 

Holmes could be a bit of a hot head, (the infamous Marciano jockstrap interview), but them tears seemed genuine to me, Holmes had a lot of respect for Ali, and was no Arsehole.

Even the infamous interview he regretted. The Marciano family forgave him, and he received an reward of them a few years back, and showed his respect, by staying on after the reward, to sign every single autograph that the fancy asked for.

 

you ****ing ******ed dickhead holmes is no danny green this would have never happened

 

Ali was so far gone by this point,and had stupidly taken thyrolar,that no matter when Holmes would have stopped him,it would have made no difference at all,to his,or Holmes' legacies.

 

Muhammad Ali should have never been allowed in the ring that night.

A beating by Larry Holmes (even with Larry pulling his punches) for what.

MONEY.

And his corner,,,,,,,,,,for letting that fight go past the 6th Round, when it was clear the
guy was done.

 

Maybe I'm in a minority,but I find the notion that Holmes was compassionate to Ali during their fight,was a myth. True,Ali had nothing left,and he was doped up on Thyrolar,but Holmes came out of the starting blocks pretty fast. He was throwing punches with mean intentions throughout. Ali's one surviving gift of taking a monster punch kept him up. In some ways it would have been better if he had have been knocked out early.

 

Stevie G,

The 1st Round, looked more like Larry Holmes telling Muhammad Ali, this isn't going to be a 'circus' for your entertainment.
He did wipe the 'smirk' of Ali's face.

The look on Angelo Dundee's face during the 1st Round is priceless. He knew it was
over, right there mid-way thru that round.

But by Round 5, you can tell Lary Holmes was backing off.

 

Holmes was throwing some pretty mean body shots at one point though. Nasty fight. I've never watched it properly. Can't watch Tyson-Holmes either,for similar reasons.