What If? James Toney wins his UFC fights?

James Toney is/was a brilliant boxer but he is NOT a big puncher and never was even as a middle/super middleweight. He now competes at heavy because he refuses to get into shape and has zero power against heavyweights.
He might win a fight or two in the UFC if matched well by the organisation against guys who prefer to strike/standup and have very poor ground game such as Kimbo but i'm not sure how many of these type of fighters are in the UFC.
Toney is only doing this for the money. It's just a pay cheque to him. He doesn't really care and has NO passion for the sport whatsoever.
I cringe at what a top level UFC heavy/light heavy would do to James.

James would be no certainty to beat someone like Kimbo imo.If smart Kimbo would try and defeat James on the ground and not just stand and trade with him.

 

it is impossible for him to win 5 ufc fights. they might be able to find one or 2 absolute stiffs for him to somehow beat, but that is probably a long shot to even get 1. Toney is not a KO threat, but anybody with any skill at all will take his fat ass down and make him tap one way or another. toney's too old and undisciplined to learn new tricks and his old tricks aren't even that good anymore and will be basically useless in the cage (lazily plodding around the cage trying to counter punch won't help when the other guy is kicking, punching, and going for a take down).

 

In mma it doesn't always take a whole lot to take people out if you have the accuracy and the ability to finish.. Boxers, for God sakes we are talking James Toney here, is a god damned world class sniper when it comes to punching..

Top it off, he is dangerous as a boxer at very close punching range. This is what makes him slightly interesting.. Seen guys who supposedly have good beards get rocked, even floored by jabs..

The thing is, I doubt anyone is dumb enough to try and punch with him.. Someone might be dumb enough to try and muay thai clinch him, which is probably dangerous against him, being he tends to be at his most dangerous when people get really close to him.. He has an arm uppercut from hell..

 

have u seen some of his more recent fights? yeah he will have a skill advantage over most and the smaller gloves will help his power, but even in an all standing affair he'd have trouble with any true mma fighter with any standup ability. toney is lazy in the boxing ring for long stretches when he's not 'snipering'. there will be no rest with any fit ufc fighter and their fitness and stamina (and probably strength) advantages would outweight toney's skill advantage even in standup given that his skill level is not what it used to be

 

i dont think this is likely at all... i think he will win 2 or 3 of his fights against weak opposition, but as soon as people start to slate mma, then the matchmakers will put him right in their with someone who is going to pound him out, or outclass him standing with some devostating kicks...

it depends on what dana wants to do, he might want to get back at boxing after the tim sylvia affair and have toney wiped out in 1 fight, i very much doubt that though as he has probably poured a decent amount of money into his latest investment

i predict 1 or 2 wins, followed by 2 humiliating defeats being pounded out or submitted early in the first round by a contender coming off a loss

we already know, that 2 wins in the ufc can spring board someone of toneys staure into a big fight i.e. brock.... but unlike brock, toney will belike a fish out of water when comin up against a grappler/wrestler of pedigree.... war velasquez

 

it would be next to impossible to land an uppercutr from the clinch position, the guy who gets the other guy in the clinch completely controls what happens in the clinch. all toney could hope to do is get out of their before any knees start to land.... you very very rarely see anyone land devostating punches once they are being controled in that position. for 3exacmple, if you free your arms,, or even just one arm, to deliver an uppercut, youre leaving an opening for a straight knee to the face & it will be lights out... but for toney, not his opponent

i think toneys inside boxing would be completely nulled in this instance

 

Koa, you cannot uppercut effectivly against a good thai clinch. It just does not work.

You are having ur head pulled down and being moved off balence normally being pulled forward, leaning forward off balence is the worst place that you can try to throw an uppercut from, trying to throw an uppercut would put you more off balence and if it did not land and stun the guy it would lead to you getting smashed in the face by a thai knee the most powerful strike that there is. The chances of landing that shot are infinitesimal.

Toney would not fair well in a thai clinch. Dirty boxing like vs Randy he would eat up, a thai clinch not a chance in hell.

 

imagine what most mma strikers would do to sam peter! you're answers right there.

 

Kick him once in the leg and get knocked out like Sylvia did?

 

I guarantee he knocks any1 out in teh UFC

 

ok.

 

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If you want to know my real feelings on the subject, I have a thread on it in the General just now.

 

Toney will be a murderous puncher with 4oz gloves on.

Look what Anderson did with Griffin and Imagine what James could do.