What if Joe Louis hadn't existed?

The problem was a white champion probably would have got away with that, Dempsey wasn't thought of too badly at the time for avoiding Wills, despite it being a complete disgrace.

Whats more I think interracial fights would be less common if it wasn't for Joe Louis, just like in Dempsey's day, you had a division of white boxers and a division of black boxers without much cross over between the 2

 

Elmer Ray, the second black HW champion :happy:happy:happy Or would it be Bivins?

 

This reality would be ****. Worse than "no such thing as Hagler".

 

Such a Shame Lee Q Murray's name has not been mentioned in this thread. He had as much a chance as anyone to be Heavyweight Champ during the 1942-1945 years if Louis had not existed.

Also watch out for Lem Franklin in 1940-1941..he might take someones head off with one of his punches and become new heavyweight champ.

or the powerful 6'4 215lb Harry Bobo..champs would be best to stear clear of that monster.

Don't give hatchetman or Tommy gomez a shot...you might find yourself unconscious on the floor courtesy of a sunday punch.

Turkey Thompson was the most dangerous puncher of the era. All he needed was to catch you once, and your done like dinner.

Elmer Ray could and should take it anywhere from 1944 on

Jimmy Bivins could beat anyone on any given day with his natural talent. He might be the best of the bunch.


Lots and Lots of potential champs here. Lots of punchers. 1940s was absolutely loaded with big punchers.

 

Bivins was the "Interim Heavyweight Champion" while Louis was in the army.

That almost implies that he is champion if Louis does not exist.

 

Not necessarily. Bivins split time with another champ...Lee Q Murray who won the Interim Title recognized by Maryland and Ohio Commisions upon his astounding 8th round knockout of Harry Bobo.

 

:deal 2nd post in the thread.

 

Suzie doesn't like using the thread search tool. :yep

 

Ali would be the GOAT Heavyweight.

:deal

 

magoo, I go along with your likely scenario..We would have repeat champions as no one fighter stood out except my favorite heavyweight,
the immortal Joe Louis...

 

I stand Corrected. I will now call you Bodhi the Genius

 

:bart

 

The progression of champions between 1930 and 1935 would have been the same..but in a rematch between Baer and Braddock in '36, a serious, for real Max Baer would have stopped Jim Braddock in 13 rounds. This time a fit, motivated Baer would have overcome stiff resistance from the proud overachiever Braddock with his superior power in style..crumbling the Cinderella Man for keeps in the 13th round with an onslought of right hands..being exhorted on by his corner, which would have included none other than Jack Dempsey for inspiration. Baer would have had Braddock down in the 7th, and would have hurt his man badly in the 8th with a radically different, no-**** attack and attitude..he would have lapsed a bit, IMO. in the 9th, 10th and 11th, as a determined, proud Braddock would have given it everything to keep his title, but heart alone wouldn't have been enough, and Baer, urged, prodded, exhorted and even threatened by his corner, especially Jack Dempsey, would have hurt Jim again in the 12th and would have him on the deck at the end of the round..sheer guts wsould have sent Braddock out for the fatal 13th, and a blockbuster right hand would send the Irishman down and almost through the ropes..and a compassionate referee would stop the bout.

 

Even the presence of Jack Dempsey in Baer's corner wouldn't have helped him against Joe Louis, I might add.