What if ketchel ko 'd Johnson?

its like saying what if middleweight Chris Byrd actually stopped superheavy vitali.

 

oh hang on no its not

 

either he loses it to the first decent hw he fights or he stays safe and dies champion. not sure who would have ended up fighting for the belt tbh, loads of options and depends it when exactly.

can't see any chance of Johnson getting a rematch.

 

Johnson is full of excuses and sometimes lied.

Ketchel was too small and too crude to win according to conventional wisdom, but if his punch that floored Johnson on the top of the head was a little lower, then there is a chance the upset might have happened.

 

I feel that a hypothetical scenario has to be at least plausible, before you bother to discuss it.

For example I will not expend a lot of effort thinking about what would have happened if Cobb had beaten Holmes!

 

Interesting scenario! For one thing, I believe Jim Jeffries stays retired. I could easily see Johnson being avoided and ignored, at least for a while, as he was after losing to Willard. Ketchel may make a few defenses against the likes of Jim Flynn, Gunboat Smith, or maybe Tommy Burns. A Ketchel-Langford title bout may even materialize, and if Langford wins the history of heavyweight boxing may take a different course. The 'white hope' movement would probably lose its momentum. Since Jess Willard started fighting in 1911, he just might stick to being a cowboy if Ketchel were champion. I believe Dempsey still starts fighting in 1914. Also, might events have changed for Heavyweight Champion Stanley Ketchel that would not have seen his tragic shooting death in October, 1910?

 

they were facing each other in exhibition mode fighting to a script, but ketchel broke the rules by hitting JJ full on. JJ then immediately broke the rules instantly to knock him out.

This is entirely different from MW Byrd stopping SHW Vitali.

 

What he's saying is, in actuality, the KD never did happen. Conventional wisdom points to that being a faked KD, not a legit one. I believe Gunboat Smith even stated the KD was faked and Johnson did it to make more money off of the movie rights. So if the KD was faked, then really, Stanley didn't come close. Further, previous to the "KD", Johnson LITERALLY held Stanley up a few times so that he wouldn't get KD and to carry the fight. He was literally shown holding him up a separate occasions. Clearly demonstrating that Johnson, had he not had the cuff on, could've dispatched Stanley whenever he choose. I think that is what Janitor is saying.