WHAT IF.......Leonard had not retired from ages 25-30??

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  1. msrkmsr

    msrkmsr Kobra Full Member

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    Just watching a documentary on Sugar Ray Leonard, it amazed me to wonder, just how much more would he have established had he not been forced to be in retirement from the ages of 25-30 (excluding that one Kevin Howard warm-up fight), which are the years most fighters particularly below the heavier weights peak??

    Was Leonard unluckily denied the all-time p4p accolade??
     
  2. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    possibly, but probably not.

    You look at a guy like Herny Armstrong and look at what he has accomplished, its hard to see how SRL even with 5 prime years of fights would have been able to equal that measure without fighting elite guys who outweighed him by 10-15 pounds at the weigh-in
     
  3. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    He wasn't forced to stay in retirement. He had a detached retina after the Hearns fight. Lots of fghters have overcome that. Had he stayed busy during those years he'd have a shot at being the #1 ATG at 147, at the very least.

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  4. msrkmsr

    msrkmsr Kobra Full Member

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    "Some boxers have resumed their careers after similar laser-beam surgery for a detached retina. Around the same time that Sugar Ray Leonard was checking into Johns Hopkins last Saturday, the heavyweight Earnie Shavers was knocking out Joe Bugner in the second round in Dallas.
    Earnie Shavers underwent detached-retina surgery after he was knocked out by Larry Holmes in a 1979 heavyweight title bout. After the fight was stopped during the 11th round, Earnie Shavers returned to his dressing room and stayed there. Nearly an hour later, he and his wife, LeVerne, hurried into the back seat of a police car. His manager, Frank Luca, was with them.
    ''He got thumbed in the third round,'' Frank Luca said. ''He's just going to the hospital for stitches.'' Earnie Shavers didn't know it then but he needed more than stitches. By continuing his career, Earnie Shavers is risking his vision in one eye for another shot at the title, another shot at the big money he's never made. But after having earned nearly $40 million, Sugar Ray Leonard has made the big money quicker than anyone else in boxing history. And unlike many other fighters, Sugar Ray hasn't blown his money. When his attorney, Mike Trainer, was asked how much Sugar Ray has put away, he smiled.
    ''Ray can't spend it all,'' Mike Trainer said. "

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E07E6DE1538F931A25756C0A964948260&sec=health&spon=&pagewanted=all


    You dont just come back from a detached retina straight back into the ring. On top of that, there was outcry at the time that Leonard would even think about continuing his boxing career and risk losing his vision. So when I said 'forced to retire' I meant through public and medical pressure.
     
  5. msrkmsr

    msrkmsr Kobra Full Member

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  6. Jose FM

    Jose FM Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hearns contributed to that retirement.
     
  7. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Imo, had Leonard fought during the years in question, he would have gotten stopped at 154 lbs by a prime Hearns, and it would have meant that a Hagler fight would have happened sooner.....he'd have gotten worked over by Hagler as well!
     
  8. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It would have been cool to watch him against Cuevas, Curry, McCallum, Jackson, or defending his Middleweight title against Mugabi, Kalambay, etc.
     
  9. AlonzoGreene

    AlonzoGreene Active Member Full Member

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    No one can really say that. He would've had to face Hearns again (whom was beating Leonard until an bad stoppage-- considering the circumstances, in my opinion). He would have had to have a rubber match with Roberto Duran (the 2nd bout was clouded in controversy when Leonard admittingly pushed Duran into losing a ton of weight in a very short time in the contract stipulations). He would have probably fought a prime Hagler prior to 1987 (who beats Leonard).

    Leonard stayed away from a Hagler fight and Hearns rematch for a reason, he didn't want to jeopardize his already established legacy. Leonard knew that he was somewhat fortunate to escape with a victory against Hearns. Leonard knew he couldn't beat Hagler until after he saw that Hagler had declined during the Mugabi fight. Then after he talks to Hagler and realizes that Hagler's heart and desire is no longer in boxing, SRL begins to publically push for the fight.

    Everyone sees how Hearns legacy was altered because of the Leonard TKO and Hagler KO. What if Leonard would have kept boxing and been stopped or defeated in a couple of megafights? Leonard is lucky that he was soooo popular and soooo generally well liked. What other fighter could basically not fight between the ages of 25-30 and still be considered top 10 of all-time. Skill wise, he was amazing. Yet, he never truly proved that he was better than Duran (1-1 in their primes), Hearns (questions as to what would have happened if the ref hadn't stopped the fight persist), or Hagler (whom he didn't want no part of).

    I find it ironic that people love Leonard, but hate Mayweather when I believe they had a lot in common in regards to how they approach their legacy and how calculative they are. One just choose to be the ultimate "good guy/showman" while the other opted towards villifying himself. Personally, I love them both as fighters. I'm just playing devil's advocate and offering another perspective of Sugar Ray Leonard.
     
  10. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    You don't overcome it. You make the choice to risk going blind. I don't know about you, but boxing is dangerous enough. If a doctor tells me I have a huge increase in risk of blindness....I'm finding a day job :good
     
  11. Carlos Primera

    Carlos Primera Boxing Addict Full Member

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    the hearns rematch would have happened earlier. shame it took 8 years for them to get it on again, when the fight had lost it's luster.
     
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    If he had fought during those years I think he'd have had a serious top 5 argument. Everyone in my top 5 has an angle at the #1 spot. So it's not a bad shout.
     
  13. dave82

    dave82 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Me 2
     
  14. stevebhoy87

    stevebhoy87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It may have been possible, i have leonard at 8 list in my atg and the only reason he is not higher is the shortness of his career and lack of a lot of decent wins to go with his big 4 wins, though those 4 top wins are amazing, the best 4 names on anyone ever resume imo.

    However if he had fought at that time then things may have been difficult. For instance a rematch with hearns at his more natural weight of 154 would most likely have occured, also the fight with hagler would probably have happened earlier when hagler was in his prime not slightly over it like in 87. So perhaps leonard would not have his best win in hagler and a possible loss over hearns as well, mcallum would also have been a difficult fight for leonard. It all guess work of course, we just never know how good he could have been
     
  15. thanosone

    thanosone Love Your Brother Man Full Member

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    Hearns beat him up in those two fights. Hagler was over the hill by the time they fought. He didn't get to fight McCallum or Jackson. He himself admitted to running from Hagler. Duran beat him the first fight and SRL forced Duran to do all types of weird **** for the rematch. SRL is over-rated as ****. He had ****ing skills no doubt about it, but he was just a media darling. Anyone putting him in the top 10 ATG needs to stop watching boxing.