What if Mayweather stayed as a jr. welterweight and cleaned out the division?

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  1. unsigned_userv2

    unsigned_userv2 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Just so there is no favouritism, this is related to a thread with Pacquiao http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?p=8203031#post8203031

    Say Mayweather ends his career now, but instead of moving up in weight after he beats Arturo Gatti, he stayed at jr welterweight and cleaned out the division. Looking back which is the greater achievement? Actual path (Multiple weights) or Alternative path (clean out a division).

    Again with Pacquiao, the fights of the alternative path take place at the exact same time as they did in the actual path (so primes irrelevant).

    1. Actual path:
    Sharmba Mitchell
    Zab Judah
    Carlos Baldomir
    De La Hoya
    Ricky Hatton (welter)
    *retirement*
    JMM
    Shane Mosley

    2. Alternative path:
    Kostya Tsyzu
    Ricky Hatton
    Miguel Cotto
    Kendall Holt
    Lamont Peterson
    *retirement*
    Devon Alexander
    Tim Bradley


    Again, the same with Pacquiao: the actual path has more marketable stars, but is there more credibility cleaning out jr welter rather than moving up and grabbing a further two belts at higher weight classes?
     
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  2. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    alternative path would be better, he would be a modern day pea, now he is just a guy who has marbles for balls.
     
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  3. Wiirdo

    Wiirdo Boxing Addict banned

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    Tszyu
    Judah
    De La Hoya
    Cotto
    Hatton
    *retirement*
    Paul Williams
    Pacquiao
     
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  4. Juiceboxbiotch

    Juiceboxbiotch Guest

    Whatchu talkin about?? He beat Gatti!

    /thread
     
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  5. igotJUIC3

    igotJUIC3 Boxing Junkie banned

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    if he took the alt path they'd cry and say he needs to move up to 147 and test himself!
     
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  6. unsigned_userv2

    unsigned_userv2 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    De La Hoya: In the timeframe this would have fit into roughly 2006. Oscar would be two weight classes above Mayweather. His last fight was at middleweight. I don't think asking Oscar to come down to jr welter would be a viable option at the time.

    Paul Williams: He has never fought as a jr welterweight.

    Manny Pacquiao: this would be equivelant to 2010, so Manny is a welterweight/jr middle.
     
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  7. Wiirdo

    Wiirdo Boxing Addict banned

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    I was making a mixture of both lists so he's still jumping weight because realistically Tszyu, Cotto and Hatton are the only 140 knees that mean anything.
     
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  8. EJDiaZ

    EJDiaZ Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :good
     
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  9. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    People would have said he was ducking all the guys at 147 and higher and didn't test himself.:deal
     
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  10. Totomabs

    Totomabs Sauna Belt Holder Full Member

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    he won't be ducking them if he didn't go there in the first place and instead, stayed at 140 to totally clean up the division...
     
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  11. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Hatton and Cotto wouldnt fight him at 140, Ray HAtton said they turned the fight down on 7occasions, Arum was protecting Cotto, Tyszu was retired.
     
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  12. Sunchild78

    Sunchild78 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pac wouldn't be the hype job he is today.
     
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  13. unsigned_userv2

    unsigned_userv2 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think making a hypothetical list of all the opponents he could fight is a whole different game. I'm just curious as to how people would rank a fighter if they hung around and dominated one division by beating number 1 contender after number 1 contender instead of moving up and facing good yet perhaps questionable (?) opponents.
     
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  14. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Then don't say he's ducking Paul Williams and martinez
     
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  15. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    Timeline doesn't really work on this one.

    Tszyu was retired having quit on his stool against Hatton.

    Hatton was fairly unknown in the US at the time you have them fighting.

    Cotto could no longer make 140 at the time you have them fighting.

    Holt had yet to win a title at the time you have them fighting.

    Peterson had only fought one 12 rounder and no-one of note.

    Alexander was 18-0 - this was the point he was taking on Witter for a vacant title. Not really realistic to be fighting Mayweather.

    Bradley is the only one that looks actually feasible. Nice fantasy line-up, no way it could possibly have happened like that.
     
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