What if Muhammad ali trained with Cus D' Amato?

He also got the best out of Jimmy Ellis.

 

He was smart. If he wanted Ali to do something he didn't want to do he would convince Ali it was his idea to do it in the first place. That's the hallmark of a good manager in any profession.

 

As a matter a fact Angelo Dundee trained Welterweight Champion Jose Mantequilla Naploles for his title shot at World Middleweight Champion Carlos Monzon on Feb 9 1974 in Paris, France. It was Dundee who did not allow Napoles to answer the bell for round 7, as he was cut in the 6th round, and took a pretty bad beating.

 

Dundee knew how to handle people. Different personalities, he had alot of charisma in his own right. He was adaptable and didn't let his ego get in the way of the job at hand.

 

Ali wanted Sugar Ray Robinson or Joe Louis to manage him but they declined.

 

Muhammad Ali use to refer to Sugar Ray Robinson as The King, The Master, My Idol.

 

Man, thanks for that. That video clip is gold.

That final line from Ali.. even Cus liked it.

 

Steward would have been an interesting partner for Ali, actually. Assuming they were in the same era.

 

Not true.
The gloves weren’t replaced Ali got 3 to 5 seconds extra time.

 

D'Mato seemed to be more of a specialist disciplinarian. Ali already knew what style he wanted to adopt and how he wanted to fight. Not sure how that would work with D'Mato

 

Thanks, you are right. The gloves were not replaced. it's a bit confusing with the extra time.

According to boxrec:
https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Muhammad_Ali_vs._Henry_Cooper_(1st_meeting)
It has also been reported that five minutes passed before the fifth round started, but ringside timekeeper Stan Courtney said that is false. "At no time was I instructed to stop my watch to allow for the refitting of the gloves," he said. "Therefore, I waited until I got the signal from referee Little to ring the bell. When I did so, my watch showed that the interval between rounds had in fact been 1:40.

If you watch the fight film though the break is just some seconds over a minute but not 1:40. That means either the timekeeper's claim is wrong or there is a film cut.

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During the segments in the AKA doc, I did get a bit of the father figure vibe dynamic that Cus could engender - definite respect shared between the two but still not shy to disagree with one another - but Ali under pointed instruction and advice, particularly that of Cus? - that’s a big NO.

With some trainers, once they establish a notable reputation, they can attract and take on fighters who are already of excellent quality and possessed of ideal self discipline. A case of the rich getting richer., reputable trainers being in receipt of a fine product to begin with.

That might blur the lines a bit as to how much the trainer has improved and/or maintained said fighter - and in some cases, trainers might actually diminish or even undo the original quality of the fighter they were originally gifted with.

For one example perhaps, as compared to his am performances, once he moved to and trained in Australia, I thought Kostya T. progressively lost some of his finer defensive attributes - he still had plenty of other attributes to get to the top but he might be a reasonable example of an already excellent fighter landing on a trainer’s door step who might’ve lost a bit of something after the hand over.

 

Ali didn’t receive the education he should’ve he isn’t going to follow everything any trainer says. He had a potentially great deal with Archie Moore just about one of the most clever boxing guys ever. he tossed his shot away because he didn’t like washing dishes...

 

Ali didn't take his style from Dundee so I see no reason to think Cus would overly influence him.If he did I think it would be detrimental..
Cus may have added a body attack to Ali's tools,but at the expense of that great jab and footwork.
Dundee tried to get Ali sparring with his hands up in the conventional style but said it didn't work so it was quickly dropped..

 

it´s an urban legend and popular myth which holds no truth and you should know that, posting on a forum like this.
stop the seconds yourself, there are different videos about the fight out there.
on the youtube link you posted the film and the audio track show not trace of a cut - and why should someone (had) cut it, if it was such an extraordinary and often discussed moment?
it is like cecil wrote: 4 to 6 seconds extra, we cannot determine it more exactly, since the bell starting the interval after the 4th round is hard to make out because of the crowd noise.

here is what wikipedia says about these moments:

"In fact, there was no confusion; the referee refused to suspend the fight, and the fifth round was delayed by perhaps three seconds."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_vs._Henry_Cooper