What if Muhammad Ali wasn't suspended?

With all due respect, this thread has been started many times and, judging from (most) of the comments on this thread, most of them are, collectively full of BS!
My $0.02? Most don't want to hear it.
Prime vs. Liston? (9 months after Henry nailed him?) Prime vs. Williams with a bullet inside him? atsch
25 years old when stripped?
Let's consider a possible scenario shall we?
Last fight? Folley in March 67.
There wouldn't have been an Elimination Tournament (which was a good one IMO)
Let's look at the remainder of 67 and 68.
Joe fought Chuvalo in the summer of 67 for his 'piece' of the title. Ali had already kicked Chuvalo's ass (not yet prime).
From the summer of 67 THRU 68 we may have seen:
A stoppage of Martin.
A stoppage of Ellis.
A bloodletting of Quarry.
A one-sided stoppage of Patterson (that one hurts )
**** on Spencer.
A stoppage of Bonavena.
Perhaps a 'globe-trotting' beat down of Peralta in Luna Park?
A stoppage of 'Mr. KO' Mac Foster.
Frazier may have maneuvered around a bout until early 69 and they would have had to have fought.
Yes, a tough bout but a 27 year old Ali is not going to dismantle Joe when, a few months later, Quarry was hitting Joe at will?
90 days after Bonavena (Ali, against his handlers wishes) didn't wait until the summer of 71 for the FOTC? And, perhaps, ruined Joe's career in that fight?
A rematch with Frazier in 70? Same result.
Who am I missing? Mathias, etc...they would have ALL been dead meat.
I'll admit, boxers don't know when to quit and Ali may have been 'ripe' for a 73 Foreman but that wouldn't make George a better ATG than Ali.
A 70-72 Ali may have rematched with some, repeat: who was out there?
Eras again, I know many have grown tired of me.
Ali. 6'3"-6'4" 210-215? prime?
Put him prime into the 21st century.

 

ali was kill the klitschkos with ease.

 

I suspect that there would always have been somebody who he underestimated, or simply didn't see coming.

 

We are fully aware you struggle like fuk with English, but surely you can read numbers on whichever planet you come from.:nut

From 1991-06-28 ( Ruddock 2 )

until 1995-08-19 ( McNeeley )


is NOT 5 years, idiot.

It is 4 years, 1 month, and 22 days.

Are you actually capable of getting ANYTHING right?:roll:

You are in danger of making duck egg look like Einstein.

 

This is correct. Had Ali fought Frazier in 69 I believe he wins by shut out. Frazier would struggle to lay a glove on the pre exile Ali, so does Foreman.

You will always have fools like unclean termite who make a big deal about Ali getting hit with left hooks, what they always conveniently forget to tell you is the faster pre exile Ali got up and stopped the guys who knocked him over.

Plus we all know how he ruined Frazier in the two subsequent rematches, both physically and mentally, when he no longer had the timing or movement of his younger days.

 

Don't really care,point was Ali had less time out of ring and actually trained during his suspension,tyson was unable to,and no ali was not at his best in the late 60's if that's so..Frazier certainly would have won in the 60's as well had they fought,which is the thread point anyway,because obviously no real good fighter was around that time other than Frazier.

P.s Frazier was not as good after 71..more education for you,though interestingly enough this is about 60's Ali,are you confused,you reference ali beat Frazier twice ?:shock:

 

Of course you don't care now it has been pointed out to you that as with most things you are wrong yet again. So for the record lets see if you can work out exactly how much longer Tyson was out of the ring than Ali, who was out for 3 years 7 months, and 4 days. Are you able to subtract that from 4 years, 1 month, and 22 days?

Funny how it works out to be not that much different isn't it? Another fail from you.:roll:



Plus Ali didn't train any more than Tyson did in prison. He spent most of his exile garnering support for his anti Vietnam war stance, lecturing on university campuses.

Of course Frazier was not as good after 71, Ali was the cause of that, and not the faster slicker Ali either, which is why the Frazier of 69 wouldn't have got near him.

Just let any one of a hundred posters on here know when you want your next lesson, because for sure ydksab in general, and even less about Ali in particular.:nut

 

False ali was well into training by 68..how do we know this?Well its in autobiographies and many interviews.one interviewer a year prior to 69 had stated ali never looked better by 1970...all excuses on your part.Frazier never lost to ali while in his prime that's the bottom line and like foreman said would defeat Ali in the 60's due to styles,anyone who truly knows boxing would see this for obvious reasons why 70's ali became tougher to fight.:smooch

 

Maybe you should take up stamp collecting or knitting because you know fcuk all about boxing boy!!

1. What the fcuk as going to prison got to do with it?? Tyson probably lived a cleaner lifestyle in prison than Ali did out of it. Tyson was busy doing the reach around while Ali was out partying getting fat.

2. That old chestnut, fact is in boxing whatever style you have you need to be sharp to perform in the top leagues. Tyson always had the punch to end things, I'd say Ali had it more difficult.

3. Dundee was more of a yes man. Ali was no dumpling unlike Tyson and could fight anyone no matter who was in his corner. If I'm not mistaken Tyson had the great Richie Giachetti training him for the second Holyfield fight, still was going to get his ass kicked...

4. Tyson was out of the ring for 4 years and 2 months, Ali 3 years and 7 months.

That's a whopping 7 months difference, wow fcuking wee.....


Thank you come again boy...... :rofl:rofl

 

That would be Norton, then. There wasn't really anyone for him to face that he didn't face in actuality. But Norton would always be a very potential banana skin for an Ali in his 30's, I think.

 

This.

His stock H2H is practically unlimited, because many people give the exile Ali the best qualities of both pre and post versions with none of the drawbacks of either.

 

I think Frazier would take Ali to hell and back regardless of when they met. He just had the ideal style and attributes to beat him. The idea that Frazier would barely touch him pre-exile is absurd. George Chuvalo gave Ali a bruising fight in 66 and he wasn't half the fighter Frazier was.

 

But had Ali remained champion through the early part of the 70's, there's a slight possibility that he and norton may not have met. Remember his first two bouts with Norton were non title fights that took place after Ali had lost to Frazier and when he was trying to stay in contention. Ken was for the most part an unknown entity. In order to face Ali for the title, he might have had to take a more dangerous path and face some punchers along the way, possibly leading to elimination from contention. Ron Lyle, Earnie Shavers, Mac Foster and a young Foreman all would have been dangerous propositions for Ken between 1972-1974.

 

True.

There's of course no way of knowing.

But there would be the real possibility that Ali had cleaned house, seeing how active he was before and after the exile, by the early 70's and there'd be no one left to fight by 1973-1974 except fringe contenders. And Norton fitted that bill when Ali first faced him in real life. He might well have disposed of Lyle, Shavers etc by then. Perhaps even Foreman, who could have been forced into a title fight before schedule due to there being no one else of note to face.