What if nacho trains pac?

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  1. mad_takamura

    mad_takamura It's getting hot in here! Full Member

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    What if nacho bernstein takes pac on his wings so that he can polish his 1-dimensional ways? That would be cool.
    Imagine pac being a counter-puncher and a brawler whenever he wants! Coming forward with his 1 dimensional 1-2 then backing with counter-punching skills!
    Pac's inborn talent + nacho's counter punching tutorials= THE BEST FIGHTING MACHINE BOXING HAS EVER SAW!
    Not that i want pac to leave roach, is that if this is possible it would be cool..:happy
    And if nacho replaces freddie i would'nt mind either!
     
  2. 41fever

    41fever Boxing Addict Full Member

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    interesting...if he was more technically sound with discipline...he would b too dangerous and he's already dangerous
     
  3. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think a trainer's job is just to highlight the good a fighter naturally comes in with and take away any bad habits the fighter might have acquired. Even with Nacho Pac would not become the better natural boxer Marquez is just as Marquez cannot get Pac's power by just swinging a sledgehammer at a tire. They can enhance what they already have but no trainer can preform miracles.
     
  4. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    From the mouth of Nacho Beristein, Pac is at his best when he's wild and attacking full throttle!

    Obviously if Beristein would have worked with Pac from the very start, he'd have aquired better boxing skill and balance.

    ......if Nacho were to be training Pac now, I dont believe he'd have Pac go the way Freddie Roach has had him doing, which is boxing with the better boxers......(JMM and MAB)
     
  5. jupzrooni

    jupzrooni Tyler Durden Full Member

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    now i agree with you in this regard, but i believe that pac salvaged a draw against jmm in their 2nd fight, with him being the aggressor and landing punches by being aggressive and jmm being a proficent counterpuncher. if not for pac being his usual self in some rounds, jmm would have won.. convincingly:good
     
  6. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why not? He won the fights, at least officially. Do you think Pac would have come close to beating Marquez with the style he employed in first fight? Marquez was not gonna let that first round of the first fight happen again.
     
  7. mad_takamura

    mad_takamura It's getting hot in here! Full Member

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    What do you mean natural? I think he got his counter punching skills with nacho's tutorials. That ain't natural! Anyone can be a good counter puncher when nacho aids them.
    What pac already have is a freakish-by-nature talent that can't be taught by anyone else. It's just innate! His strength, stamina and speed was not thought by anyone else other than it is just an innate thing..
    Then add nacho's training: :admin
     
  8. jupzrooni

    jupzrooni Tyler Durden Full Member

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    pacquiao becomes an aggressive, phenomenal, animalistic badass with couterpunching skills and will have better chance against floyd mayweather
     
  9. mad_takamura

    mad_takamura It's getting hot in here! Full Member

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    So you think nacho would have pac brawling instead?
    Well i have a thought that it would be easier for pac to bralw with jmm..standing up in exchanges and see who would remain standing!
     
  10. jupzrooni

    jupzrooni Tyler Durden Full Member

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    brawl and box... i envision pac becoming kinda like duran had he been trained by nacho
     
  11. mad_takamura

    mad_takamura It's getting hot in here! Full Member

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    Floyd is nothing but fraud. He is'nt even calling out cotto after cotto manhandled gomez. Why can't he fight margarito, cotto or cintron or any elite at the welters? But if pbf and cotto happens cotto would have a hard time barging in to pbf''s defense. Actually i have pbf winning a ud. Cotto's style: i have second thoughts of wether he is a good boxer. He's kinda like pac, and i still can't say who's better technically bet. the 2.
    But if pac vs pbf: i don't think pac would have an easier time either, given that i don't give cotto a chance against pbf.
     
  12. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    From my point of view, Pacquiao got outboxed handily in both fights.

    .....but he'd have a much better shot at realizing a KO if he attacked wildly and unrelentlessly.

    In a perfect world where everything was judged honestly.....my advice to Pacquiao against JMM would be to attack unrelentlessly, take rounds off to gather another wind and proceed the attack when lungs are filled to capacity.

    .....that scenario could get Pac one of two things.....he can knockout JMM or he could get KTFO by JMM.....but it would imo be Pac's only real chance at victory.

    In a perfect world for Pac to beat JMM, there is no other way but to seek and get a KO.
    I've already seen Pac try it both ways and he got thoroughly outboxed both times.

    For Pac against JMM, forget about the fight going to a decision, he's not going to win that. Pac won 6 or the 24 rounds they fought imo.

    Attack, attack, attack, is imo Pac's only way to win, and he'd have to finish it off by KO.
     
  13. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Probably pretty close, but without Duran's rough housing nastiness, and clinching game.

    There is'nt a Nacho fighter that I know of that factors those kind of tactics or even the clinch into their game, though I wish that he would teach or get someone to teach JMM a little something about that game.
    .....Marquez is getting up their in age, and pretty soon he's not going to be able to fight 3 minutes or every round as he does now.

    Knowing how and when to clinch can help an aging fighter borrow some time. Bernard Hopkins is a prime example of that!
     
  14. jupzrooni

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    now i agree with you in this regard, but i believe that pac salvaged a draw against jmm in their 2nd fight, with him being the aggressor and landing punches by being aggressive and jmm being a proficent counterpuncher. if not for pac being his usual, wild self in some rounds, jmm would have won.. convincingly:good
     
  15. boxbox

    boxbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    JMM will always look good against Pac, thats his advantage, (since he's the only one capable) problem is, he will always kiss the canvass when they fight, and he will come back and always finish the fight win or lose or draw via close decision. kinda hard to give the decision to the one who always gets close to getting himself knocked out.