What if Ray Leonard had n't stopped boxing in 1982 ?

"Peer accolades" on an internet forum - do you actually read back through your posts? If you did,you'd realize what a complete and utter loser you come across as.Then again, your Duran-related,cum-gurgling posts already confirmed you as such a long time ago.

 

What other fight do you judge him on at that time??? He only fought once at 154 so lets use jouryman KEVIN HOWARD shall we!!! Leonard knows Leonard best & whats best for Leonard & that was quit boxing & hang around ringside doing colour commentary dishing out back hand compliments & barbs at others who had taken his place in the limelight.

I remember the fight clear as rain when i saw it way back then, sure he was in power punching mode, he always was 90% of the time, that was always rays way, overwhelm with blitz multi combo's. But he's tiring bad & his shots are getting wider & wider, it's like watching a lumberjack trying to chop down a huge oak tree & has only 5 minutes & there's only 30 seconds left. He gave it 150%+. If leonard thought he could succesfully campaign at 154 or above he would have done so, but he did'nt & Howard is the proof that Leonard would have been hammered by the likes of McCallum/Hearns & co & that would have been the end of the SRL $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ machine. No mug Leonard when it come too the $$$$$

He could'nt produce at the higher weights what he could at 147 simple as. A fighter like Leonard who's main armourment was speed of offence/reflex counter is always going to be on borrowed time. Ray was'nt a mover or counter puncher of the back foot in his prime he was a plant-em banger that used speed of reflex too overwhelm his opponants & thats the way he fought Duran in montreal & finished of Hearns in 81 & thats always been the SRL modus operandi except in the eyes of those bullshitters & chancers on here that only now SRL from a few ebay bought Ring/KO mags & come on here giving it the big-un hence i feel i obliged to expose & crush them.:yep

 

****in lame reposte as expected, now **** off:yep

 

C'mon whats happened to the art of debate on here, i've made some valid points & even spent the time to get leonard off of you-tube so as to quailfy what i've always been saying about him. Sometimes some people just don't like having their perceptions of Leonard blown to bits by the proof on offer.

 

Riposte? Repost? It's difficult to tell with your butchering of the English language.


The fact that you'd use the Kalule fight,a fight in which Leonard largely controlled and showed no legitimate decline in sharpness or conditioning,and,most importantly,a fight in which he was up against a fighter with mediocre punching power(and fought and treated him with little respect - in regards to his power) as an example as to why Leonard would struggle against the names previously listed(including the new and improved Duran ) is truly a testament to how much of a bloated old windbag you truly are.

 

jeezus you creep me out! You really are a full-on creep, i told you a few months back to go get yer hormones checked out did'nt i as you're the most catty & feminine poster on here, you may need HRT or a hysterectomy.

Kalule fight!!! What other fight other than Howard can you use above 147 you useless thick ****in ****, go'on **** off, yer a clueless wank,Yer post is pure SHITE:deal

 

Geraldo. Marcotte. Chiaverini. Mando Muniz. All of these fights took place above 147. Just saying.

 

It's a thickhead and a half isn't it.

 

Time off from the ring is a massive deterrent in this sport. It hurts. I know this first hand.

I excuse Ray Leonards less than awesome showing in the Kevin Howard fight. He was coming off a rather significant layoff(The kind that follows surgery), and tried to avoid sparring training for Howard in order to avoid damaging a still tender and possibly vulnerable eye. It showed in the fight; He was off and rusty. He had an off night, the greats have them. He's Leonard, however, so no excuses get made for him. But, he had several pretty good ones. The Kevin Howard fight told him that leaving the ring for the reasons he left was a good idea. If I were him, I frankly wouldn't have ever come back, but Leonard was a scheming, devious businessman and had big brass balls and decided to come back to do the impossible. Kudos to him for one of the most amazing triumphs in boxing history later on, but that doesn't make the decision to bow out following vision problems that hindered serious training less valid.


Holding Kevin Howard against Leonard is pretty weak. Thrashing Kalule, as tired he was getting, shows that Leonard would have succeeded at the upper echelon of 154 for as long as he chose to compete there. He just wouldn't have had the dominance he had at 147, and would likely have dropped more than one fight to the elites at those higher weight classes.

 

Creep? You're a grossly overweight,middle aged man with an obsessive man crush for a man whom you do not even know....what kind of position do you think you're in to be throwing around such terms? If you're capable of fitting your entire bulk into the frame,try looking into a damn mirror before making such laughably ironic statements.


How about a fight in which a non-washed up Leonard actually showed himself incapable of performing above 147 against world class opposition...oh wait,there isn't one! The fight you used is a fight in which Leonard actually looked good in,you fat ****ing clown.

 

This thread actually makes me a bit sad. Just thinking that we missed out on quite possible match-ups between Ray and guys like Curry, McCallum, Nunn etc. And a rematch with Hearns at 154 in the mid 80'swould have been fantastic, as would a meeting with a somewhat fresher Hagler, preferrably in 1985 or some such.

 

Ayub Kalule was an undefeated Jr. Middle weight champ in his prime and a rising Leonard beat him to ****... And this is supposed to be a check against him how?

 

Leonard had the chance to fight Michael Nunn or mccallum or kalambay in 1987 or 1988 but he "retired" and then chose to fight Don lalonde instead.
and that wasnt about his retina

leonard was the beginning of a modern trend we see imitated now by superstar fighters.
coming out of retirements to contest titles in weight classes hed never even fought in, even contesting vacant titles in weight classes hed never fought in, and being able to sell his fights as superfights against almost anyone. contesting titles at weights that were different to the supposed division the title represnets.
like Mayweather and Pacquiao now.

 

While this is true, he already had his resume built. 3 HOFers and a fourth lineal champion in a higher weight class, combined record of 178-1-1 at the time he beat them. Doesn't even include Hagler. Leonard was very fortunate to have that level of opposition available to test himself against, but he still had to get in the ring and do it. I don't see how anybody can watch Duran I or the first fight with Hearns and conclude he was anything but a tremendously gifted ATG with loads of heart, chin and fortitude.

 

i agree.
thats why i think its a bit too much to fantasise about a load of other achievemants he "could have" had.
i would have liked to have seen him defend the welterwight title a few more times to cement his legacy the old fashioned way but maybe he would have lost if he had.
the fact that instead he stayed retired a number of years and then came back and did what he did against Hagler proved the true degree of his greatness for me anyway.