What if Ray Leonard....

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  1. SwarmingSlugger

    SwarmingSlugger Active Member Full Member

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    In the 1981 unification match with Thomas Hearns Leonard had a detached retina, he got it fixed of course but after fighting Bruce Finch in 82 he retired then comes back in 84 to retire again and then Hagler in 87 etc we know the rest. What if he had not sustained that injury against Hearns does he keep on fighting for a few more years?
     
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  2. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    No.

    I think SRL could have come back earlier. IMO he was waiting to age Hagler out. He may have had some eye issues but i don't think they were severe enough to merit a lengthy retirement.

    So i think he might have had 1 or 2 more fights, retired, rested and waited for Hagler to age out.
     
  3. Kid Bacon

    Kid Bacon All-Time-Fat Full Member

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    IMO, without detached retina Sugar stays in the game for 1- 2 more years just because there was so much money available for big fights agains the other kings (with the exception of Hagler).

    In this alternative timeline the rematch with Hearns and the third bout with Duran happen sooner than they did in real life, most probably around 1982 - 83. I wouldn't even discard a rematch versus Benitez around 1982 or even 83 when Benitez was already faded.

    Drop a couple of journeyman bouts in the mix and that is enough to keep Sugar honestly busy and making mad money for a couple of years while allowing Hagler to age.

    On what I agree is that Sugar won't look for Hagler before the Mugabi fight, only in that fight Sugar's eyes opened to the realization that Marvin was beatable after all.

    Thus, in this alternate timeline Sugar fights regularly during 1982 - 1983, but he still retires in early 1984, returning to the real timeline. He is gone until 1987 when he comes back for Marvin.
     
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  4. Mandela2039

    Mandela2039 OFFICIAL THREAD DIDDLER banned Full Member

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    How do u see a Davey Moore Durán Vs an hypothetical 83 Leonard for the superwelter championship?
     
  5. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Didn't Ray himself say his eye was fully healed but he just didn't want to box anymore?
     
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  6. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    With his substance abuse issues, he made the right move.
     
  7. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He would've beat Hagler in an earlier date in even more convincing fashion
     
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  8. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think it would probably be a repeat of New Orleans without the No Mas, with Ray cruising to a wide decision. Duran wouldn’t be able to deal with Ray’s lateral movement nor be able to pressure him with animal fury by this point. The Kirkland Laing embarrassment was less than a year in Roberto’s rear-view mirror at this point and Duran wasn’t even able to handle a pedestrian talent who flitted around the ring.

    (Worth noting that the Duran whom Ray beat in their third fight was coming off a brilliant performance vs Iran Barkley but looked like a puppy dog following Leonard around the ring.)

    You can say Leonard looked disinterested against Kevin Howard, but I think his competitive juices would have been flowing to get Duran again.
     
  9. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Question… Has Ray Leonard ever actually SAID that he put off his comeback specifically to wait for Hagler to “ age?”
     
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  10. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

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    who is dumb enough to admit they're afraid of the sport's best p4p fighter?
     
  11. Kid Bacon

    Kid Bacon All-Time-Fat Full Member

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    -"How many alternative scenarios for Leonard have you seen?"
    -"14,000,605 possible scenarios"
    -"And in how many Leonard fights a Prime Hagler?"
    -"None"
     
  12. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Oh. So we are just left to assume that Leonard purposely sat idol for five years hoping that Hagler would get ripe for the picking, all the while accumulating rust himself and missing out on numerous other pay days ? Cool story
     
  13. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Ray would win a decision. Duran was still good at 154 but he had a different style than he did in his prime weight classes. He wasn't the same attacking, high punch volume force rather a counterpuncher.
    Leonard might have fit into 154 just right. He would have been at or near his peak.