What if schmeling had ruined Louis?

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    As every one who posts on here is certain to know, max schmeling knocked out Louis in a massive upset. But two years later Joe having become heavy weight champ in the meantime sensationally destroyed schmeling in one round. But.. What if the schmeling loss actually ruined Joe,? What if the loss under mined his confidence so much he would never be as good again. Perhaps losing his next few fights as a consequence, till pushing him out of contention? How would the heavy weight division then unfold. With out the legend of Joe Louis at the top of the division for over a decade?
     
  2. mr. magoo

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    that would have been the real question. I can't come up with a solid conclusion. Its difficult to envision any one man being dominant for very long in those times. My guess is that heavyweight title would have changed hands regularly and often, but again who knows.
     
  3. BCS8

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    They would have called it a Golden Era for boxing.

    So many champions swapping the belt! So much talent! No one man could dominate such a competitive era.

    The members of the Bum o de Month Club would have been legit contenders that underscored how good the time was ;)
     
  4. Fergy

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    It's very to imagine a boxing history with out Louis been there. Take him out of the picture and a whole host of names could enter the scene. Contenders becoming champs,would change the division totally
     
  5. McGrain

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    ...what a horrible thought.

    I guess that the title would get passed around and we'd have another period of nobody dominating until Maricano emerged, but that's maybe little unfair. Louis crushed so many guys.

    Braddock-Schmeling-Baer-Pastor-Conn-Bivins-Charles/Walcott trilogy maybe restores the timeline.
     
  6. mr. magoo

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    I don't know if it would have happened but I would have liked to have seen Bob Pastor get the title even if only briefly. Bob is a criminally underrated fighter.
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Conn is the big winner there. Pound-for-pound great.
     
  8. McGrain

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    He'd have a very good chance to take the title from Baer I think.
     
  9. mr. magoo

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    Could be the case. Pastor beat a lot of good fighters.
     
  10. Unforgiven

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    I think the whole history of boxing would have changed because Mike Jacobs and his company would have had trouble taking over MSG and New York boxing with Louis completely derailed in 1936. This would have effected fighters in all divisions.
     
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  11. McGrain

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    This is an interesting and different way of thinking about things. There's always going to be someone, but he might have different ideas. And who knows who that someone would be? It's hard enough picking the fighters that would step up never mind the promotional organisations. Probably they'd have the same friends working them though so maybe it wouldn't be all that different in some ways.
     
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  12. Fergy

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    Some great answers coming up here. That's the beauty of what ifs? U can go off down one thought then something else comes of that thought. Like the butterfly effect of what ifs?
     
  13. Unforgiven

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    Yes, it's impossible to say. I think the best fighters would risen to the top anyway.

    The Schmeling factor is in another interesting one. If he'd regained the title maybe he'd have been champion when ww2 broke out and goes into hiatus from late 1939 until the end of the war. Whether he'd come back after the war, symbol of a crushed and disgraced nation, to be crushed and humilated against a hungry young American, I don't know.

    Or maybe he escapes to Argentina .....
     
  14. janitor

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    Even a ruined Louis might have navigated his way to the top at some point. He was younger than the other top contenders, and his power alone would have given him a chance against most. Perhaps it would be simpler just to push him under the wheels of a Model T Ford?

    Anyhow, I digress.

    A timeline without Louis being the dominant factor would almost certainly see one of the lineal champions of the 30s becoming the first to regain the lineal title, and it would almost certainly include two or more additional lineal champions.

    I think that with Louis out of the way, America would have looked to Max Baer to save it from Max Schmeling. I also think that they would have fought again, and that one of them would have become the first fighter to regain the lineal title.

    The most likely candidates to become champions among the contenders of the era are Lou Nova and Billy Conn in my opinion. Other plausible candidates include Tommy Farr, Bob Pastor, Tony Galento, Arturo Godoy, Buddy Baer, Jimmy Bivins, Elmer Ray, and Joe Walcott at an earlier time.
     
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  15. UnleashtheFURY

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    Really good post... I agree with the consensus, the division would have devolved into a perpetual state of hot potato. Hard to see anyone in that landscape with the class to be a long term dominate champion, even half or 1/3 as long as Louis.