What if the Ali who beat Cleveland Williams fought the Frazier of FOTC?

Chuvalo won 2 rds.

 

Joe was past it,he had eye problems,he couldnt judge mid range distance anymore,he had climbed the mountain and run out of enthusiasm,he had hypertension,he had lost interest,he had nothing more to prove,etc ad nauseum
Joe Frazier the man with the longest legion of apologists and the shortest prime,washed up at 29.LOl

 

I think it’s very overrated. An injured, washed up fighter can make a good, young, healthy fighter look amazing.

 

This. I understand Williams was washed up but there is no evidence of any weakness Ali had during this brief period of fights.

 

A unproven chin maybe?

 

But we know now that his chin is A+

 

That is my pick as well....but on this forum pre exile Ali is a God and neigh unbeatable

 

I understand the strength part, however a faster, fitter Ali with better reflexes would not have taken half the punishment he did in 71.

Ali by wide decision or maybe even a late stoppage.

 

Ali W 15 UD Frazier

 

1 It is also arguable and defendable that Frazier was not Prime during the first fight. I would say it was 68-70 but if you want to insist it was 71 I hope we can at least agree that was the tail end of Frazier prime and the last we would ever see of a prime Frazier.

2 Why give Ali a pass for 17 rounds in 4 years and not also acknowledge that Frazier had only fought 14 rounds in the previous 3 years and 2 months. Seems like once again Ali apologists only see one side of the playing field.

3 Ali won 2 of the 3 fights, saddler won 3 of 4 against Pep. It does not mean he would beat Pep in his prime (although he may have?)

 

14 rds in 2 years and 4 months sorry my math was bad

 

It’s quite simple really....we are not going to agree on this outcome.

You will say Ali was not prime and Frazier was....

I will say when they were both closest to their primes Frazier did win....

Hence I believe stylistically and skill wise Frazier would always beat Ali...

It really should be pretty easy to see that both sides have a credible prediction even if those predictions are different. I also favor Marciano over Prome Ali based on styles. I don’t think it is unfair or unrealistic to pick someone Marciano/Frazier over Ali even though I rate Ali higher than both of them. I rate Wlad higher than Vitali yet pick Vitali to win. It’s about styles to me and Frazier will always have the skill and style to beat Prime Ali....you see it the opposite that is fine