What if the color line lasts until 1980? How does the boxing landscape change?

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    This would mean Louis, Robinson, Moore, Patterson, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Liston, Charles would have never been "world" champions and instead "colored" champions. But who would be the world champions in their stead?

    And would anyone in the general public believe that the world champion was the best in the world in his weight class? For example, if the color line was in effect in the late 1960s, Jerry Quarry is likley the world heavyweight champion and Frazier is the colored heavyweight champion. But would anyone believe Quarry was the best heavyweight on earth? He could have been, but with Frazier and Ali and Ellis and Patterson roaming about in the colored heavyweight division, you never could really tell
     
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  2. d4n1elc

    d4n1elc New Member Full Member

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    The 90's would've been even greater and the new millennium would be even more competitive and fun
     
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  3. USFBulls727

    USFBulls727 Active Member Full Member

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    Hard to say what I might have thought at the time, especially since I can't unsee the actual fights between these guys that took place, but I think I would have favored Ali & Frazier over Quarry for sure. Frazier was more explosive, and Ali had the speed and physical advantages over Jerry.

    I've wondered the same about how guys like Sullivan, Corbett, Prime Jeffries, & Fitz would have fared against the Colored Heavyweight Champions of the time. The 100+ years of data we now have has me thinking that the Colored Champions probably would have wound up the World Champions if given the chance, but we'll never know that for certain.
     
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  4. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Rocky Marciano would still be champ today if the color bar lasted today. What a long rein, 1952-2025.
     
  5. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    Schmeling rules the heavyweight division in the mid 30s until someone like Nova, Farr, maybe even Bettina or Conn, beats him as he ages out. Maybe Maxim and Savold grab the belt in the late 40s?

    Quarry would hold the belt for awhile, so would Cooney. Does this color line also apply to Eastern Europeans whose whiteness was debated for most of American history?
     
  6. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    We'll just say no not to confuse the issue. Also in the 60s, you could perhaps had a Henry Cooper reign.
     
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  7. USFBulls727

    USFBulls727 Active Member Full Member

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    Cooney for sure, assuming he gets through Coetzee. He'd probably be champion until Morrison comes around if he keeps the partying under control.
     
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  8. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fitz did win the title, so in some ways whites consider him the first "color" heavyweight champ lol.
     
  9. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So, Larry Holmes ends up the first black world HW champ? First time they put him in front of a mic, the color line would be put back up. :facepalm:
     
  10. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cooney? Color line ends here in 1980. That means it ends when Larry Holmes is coming right into his prime. There's no outcome that doesn't result in Holmes becoming champ. Which doesn't bode well for Cooney.

    The one who benefits here the most has to be Quarry.
     
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  11. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    If the color line ended in 1980, Cooney would have to get past Larry Holmes which he didn’t do irl
     
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  12. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yep. And he doesn’t have to get past a Holmes who grew up in a world where Ali is champ; no, he has to get past a Holmes who grew up in a world that made him even angrier and saltier.

    Holmes hated three things: disrespect, racism, and being poor. Give him a world where he’s the first black HW boxer who can defeat all three? Yikes. Look out.
     
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    AntonioMartin1 Jeanette Full Member

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  14. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    But who would have been Quarry best wins in this scenario
     
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    In a way, I feel, this is both the most relevant and the most irrelevant thing I can post here today:

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