What if the colour line had been drawn the oppisite way.

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  1. Del Boy

    Del Boy R.I.P Darren Sutherland Full Member

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    Imagine that Peter Jackson had been given the shot at Sullivan instead of Corrbett in 92, and won which was very likely, and drew the colour line (refused to fight white fighters). For the sake of the question say this colour line remained until Louis retired and Charles and Walcott fought and Marciano went on to beat Walcott.

    How would the face of Heavyweight boxing changed. Who would have beat Jackson and beaten him and beaten him. Would Jefferies been able to bring the title back to the white race or Dempsey or Fitzsimmons.


    What do you think?

    Thanks :good
     
  2. Guyfawkes

    Guyfawkes Than who was phone?! Full Member

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    Jackson would never have been allowed such a bold move.
     
  3. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fun scenario. I'd guess that Hank Griffin, Denver Ed and Bob Armstrong compete for the titles until Jack Johnson comes along. Jeannette, McVea & Langford will get their shots and Wills will reign from the mid 1910s to the mid 1920s until George Godfrey and Larry Gains.

    It's difficult to say who would be the champ by the time Joe Louis came along. You could argue that there would be a greater amount of coloured boxers competing in the heavyweight division had the "colour line" been drawn the other way.
     
  4. Del Boy

    Del Boy R.I.P Darren Sutherland Full Member

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    Oh of course, he wouldnt, despite being possibly the number 1 challenger Sullivan would never give him a shot, but hypothetically.
     
  5. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Dempsey would have fought Greb 29 times
     
  6. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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    Jackson retires as champion because noone else was really at his level until he was fighting jeffries.

    Johnson gets an earlier shot at james and beats him. He loses to the winner of langford v jeanette who loses to wills who reigns until the sharkey fight.

    Maybe the second godfrey gets a shot earlier.
     
  7. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I dont see how Armstrong and Griffin can hold the title, when Jeffries actually knocked them both out. I think that his reign is unavoidable. (maybe he would be the Johnson of the time), making Johnson the great black hope, or actually, more likely Peter Jackson out of retirement to face a young Jeffries is more realistic, and we know how that finished. Assuming hate shows for Jeffries, Johnson is the best hope or maybe even McVey to stop him, as he gets older and trains more easily. Although to match up with Johnson's time frame, he would fight the deadly trio (or quado) early in their careers, when they were not ready and not rematch.

    Realistically, I think that Wills probably sits as the best placed fighter to break the jeffries reign.
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :rofl

    Fun thread. I agree with GreatA. Dempsey would have had the best chance of persuading "black America" to let him have a title shot. Probably the draft dodge would have kept him out of it.
     
  9. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    whooa, wait a sec...Jack Dempsey was a draft dodger?
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :D

    They even posed him doing "war-work" for a publicity photograph...unfortunately Jack even forgot to change his patent-leather shoes for the disastrous picture.
     
  11. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Boxing would have seen its "first" golden era.
     
  12. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    :happy
     
  13. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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    It would have been significantly more damaging than the way that the colour line was actualy drawn.

    There was a derth of talent in the coloured heavyweight division, between the period where Peter Jackson started drinking himself to death and the rize of the black dynamite crew.

    Whatever you think of Corbett, Fitzsimmons and Jeffries, they were two teirs better than the top black contenders of the time such as George Byers, Bob Armstrong, Frank Childs and Joe Butler. That could have been a truly terible era.
     
  14. Vano-Irons

    Vano-Irons Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    :lol: class!

    This! Langford would no longer be considered the greatest boxer never to win a world title.