What if the cruiserweight division never existed?

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  1. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Would the top ranks of the light heavyweight and heavyweight divisions look any different with no cruiserweight division, over the past 40 years?
     
  2. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Or some work harder to make 175. Do any of them have any success at heavy sooner?
     
  3. Combatesdeboxeo_

    Combatesdeboxeo_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Small cruisers would be drained lhws
     
  4. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    The very broad heavyweight divisions tended to result in unofficial stratification.

    The smaller guys fought each other, and the bigger guys were forced to do likewise.
     
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  5. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    Heavyweight division remains broad with depth.

    Just look at pre cruiser times, thats a clue.
     
  6. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Holyfield would find it harder. He'd turn pro at light heavy ,not sure how long he'd be able to hang about there ,then enter straight in to the big guys brigade. So he'd be fighting the heavy s around 86 .He'd possibly face Tyson around 88 .Not sure how that work's for him ? It would have changed the late 80s heavy weight scene for sure.
     
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  7. Sting like a bean

    Sting like a bean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Ever heard of the ideal gas law? The basic principle is that a gas expands to fill the volume available, and I suspect something analogous happens with weight classes. If you create a category, it's amazing how people will behave according to that category simply because it exists. (I can't tell you how many times someone has tried to prove to me a logical fallacy exists just be cause someone somewhere who may or may not have had a relevant degree gave it a name. )

    Anyway, to the actual point, I remain to be convinced that there was any good reason at all for the cruiserweight class to be created. The reason usually given is dubious at at best, as it was created right around the time the Spinks brothers were at their height and Jerry quarry wasn't even retired.
     
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  8. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Yeah, Holyfield is probably the biggest question mark. I think he'd probably have had a less illustrious career if he'd moved up in '85 and fought as a small, Dempsey-sized heavyweight. Would have been very rough on him, depending on how slowly Duva and company brought him along.
     
  9. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Erdei and Hill would have stayed at 175.
     
  10. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Perhaps. I just know the legend of Marvin Camel would not loom so large to us all.
     
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    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  12. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Definitely, he'd have being thrown in a lot faster than he was. He either faces Tyson when Mike was at his Best ever or he comes along very slowly ,but he wouldn't make the same impact .
     
  13. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wasn't the original weight limits 176-190....then it went up to 195, and ultimately 200 tops???

    (Before the advent of the current cruiserweight class, "light heavyweight" and "cruiserweight" were sometimes used interchangeably in the United Kingdom)
     
  14. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    The whole thing was a big mistake. A high order **** up. A blunder of the highest order. There was no need for cruiserweight at all.

    Roids made it possible for giants to become more functional in the 1980s. So The new division came from the oposite end of the heavyweight spectrum. Not the lower end where classically the champions had always came from.

    They should have made 230lb the Superheavyweight division and left the heavyweight division alone. Just as they did with Amateur boxing.
     
  15. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ocasio becomes a HW trialhorse

    DeLeon makes 175lbs and contends in that division

    Holyfield and Braxton stay at 175 lbs

    Hopefully was 23 yrs old physically mature making 178 lbs. He could fight 175-180 lbs.

    If Braxton stayed hungry he could make LHW.