What if Tyson had kept his corner complete for his entire career?

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol:

    He would have been beaten by either Douglas or Hollyfield. The man had demons. The corner obsession is almost meaningless and I have never understood it.
     
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  2. McGrain

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    Cus was not good for Tyson in my view.

    And it would have ended in tears had the great man lived.
     
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  3. McGrain

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    That's a generally good post ST.
     
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  4. Stonehands89

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    Generally?!
     
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  5. McGrain

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    :lol:
     
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  6. Dempsey1238

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    Are you guys joking?? Tyson would have ko Holyfiled in round 1 had Rooney been there. Follow by more first round kos over the likes of Bowe, Lewis, Foreman, Wlad, and VK.
     
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  7. Stonehands89

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    Serious question Dempsey: How old are you?
     
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  8. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "...a GENERALLY good post"...

    Why don't you go get yourself inebriated so you can appreciate good work! Hell, get inebriated and then have 6 more and before you end up on the floor perhaps you'll STEAL MY POST AGAIN!!

    [Haha! M, That still cracks me up.]
     
    Stonehands89, Mar 31, 2008
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  9. McGrain

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    I wasn't really stealing it...those thoughts were all inside my head...in a way YOU stole MY post.
     
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  10. Stonehands89

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    Dempsey, I see that you are 26. I re-read your posts on this thread and admit that I'm a little confused. I don't know if you are serious or not. I'm guessing that you are being facetious...
     
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  11. Stonehands89

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    Yah know, I have fun tormenting guys with no credibility; but when I first read that post that you STOLE in your drunken daze, I honestly doubted my own senses. That's because you have credibility. And just now I had an urge to apologize to you for "reading your mind".

    [Sorry, man.]
     
    Stonehands89, Mar 31, 2008
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  12. McGrain

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    :lol:
     
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  13. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I really don't see Holyfield having a chance against the Tyson which faced Spinks. The one punch at a time Tyson which faced Holyfield was a whole different fighter. Could Holyfield have handled the speed, combinations, & power which Tyson had at that time?
     
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  14. Stonehands89

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    The short answer is yes.

    Remember that Holyfield completely handled Tyson in both fights. Tyson figured this out early, before he started getting tired and hurt.
     
    Stonehands89, Mar 31, 2008
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  15. McGrain

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    Well I think Hollyfield could have, yes. But regardless, Tyson was NOT the same fighter by the time he fought Hollyfield for a variety of reasons, not all of them related to his corner. Was it the new corner that caused him to beleive that one punch was all he needed to land in order to win fights? No, he was falling prey to the invincibility disease that affected punchers like Liston and Baer before him. Was it his corner that spared him the mental turmoil of that tortuos divorce?

    Tyson, because of his mental make up was always headed for a meltdown. He was always waiting to be exposed by someone who could punch, had a good jaw, was not afraid and was expert at breaking rythym.

    EVERY time, WITHOUT exceptiont that Mike has been asked to dig deep and find the extra that makes Louis and Ali 1 and 2 he failed to find it. That's a flaw as crucial as a sloppy jab and it's NOT going to be rectified by a cornerman.
     
    McGrain, Mar 31, 2008
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