What if tyson had served full sentence?

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    What u mentioned about holyfield and Lewis happening earlier could well have happened. There would have been no big names out there apart from those two with tyson in jail. So Lewis may have beaten Bruno whilst holyfield gets to moorer or seldon. Then a unification between the two. If as you pointed out holyfield could beat Lewis then that would have set up a holyfield V tyson match.
     
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    Interesting. So even if tyson had served full sentence then there's a possibility that tyson could have signed contracts inside and entered in to big money fight s. But suppose that's down to even if he can win his early comeback bouts.
     
  3. Contro

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    I think if Tyson had been released 98 not 95 we would have still seen the botha version in 99. The ear bite Mental meltdown and resulting 1.5+year layoff probably eroded his skills back to where he would have been if he had come out in 98 and trained for a year. Still Tyson didnt look bad at all against Golota obviously older and slower but from a technical boxing skill perspective he did what he was supposed to. Jabbing, Right hook body left hook head. Body jab feint overhand right. I think he could have still somewhat legitimately earned a title shot considering guys like Botha and Rahman got title shots, I see Tyson that fought savarese and golota beating ruiz and Rahman. Those types of wins plus tysons name would have still gotten him a title shot
     
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    Suppose it's who he gets matched with as soon as he gets out that's important as well. Don King will probably be wanting his pound of flesh but he won't want tyson matched to hard before he challenges for a belt. Not sure if ruddock and morrison were out of the picture at that time but they'd have been seen as big names and beatable. A ruddock rubber match may have sold well even then. Tua and rahman would possibly be seen as to dangerous. Briggs may even have popped up as a possibility.
     
  5. Wass1985

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    Tyson was on to another hiding in the rematch and he knew it, hence turning into Dracula for the night.......
     
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    Always the same with you. You could just as easily say Holyfield was heading for a hiding and hence he turned his head into a battering ram. Tyson was probably afraid of legitimately losing again, to pretend like he didnt have a real shot at winning if he had fought with the confidence he had the first fight is just stupid. Anyone, including Holyfield could see how much sharper and better shape he was for the rematch.

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    5:00 Tyson is feinting at Holyfield and Tyson hits him with a jab but Holyfield curiously shells up and ducks in with his head down as a reaction to the tyson jab because he had been trained to step inside the hook (and headbutt tyson) the lead hook being the punch that holyfield expected after the series of feints that ended with Tysons weight being on his left side, but it was just a jab.
    Immediately after that Holyfield flies in with the Headbutt lowblow combination we saw against Dokes. 90% of the time when a fighter headbutts another fighter it is disguised with a bodypunch.

    You can slow it down to 1/4 the speed if you like. There is no reason for holyfield to slip the right hand to the inside like that.
    Im pointing this out as a holyfield fan, im a fan of both but I like Holyfield more and rate him higher in terms of legacy
     
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  7. Wass1985

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    Absolutely rubbish, Tyson put in a final effort in the 3rd round and was out muscled and out fought. The fight was going in exactly the same direction as the first bout and Tyson knew it. Funny how you complian about Holyfield butting but forget to mention the fouls your hero was commiting.......
     
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    I absolutely mentioned Tysons fouling in various fights and that he should have been ready to deal with whatever Holyfield was doing you didnt read the thread apparently.
    Read the quotes that i posted directly from Holyfields autobiography about the second tyson fight doesnt sound like the way you're describing at all and doesnt look like that either.

    Holyfield IS SURPRISED THAT TYSON BIT HIM BECAUSE HE HAD JUST GOTTEN INTO HIS RYTHM. QUOTE.

    SAYS HE TRIED TO REGAIN CONTROL IN THE THIRD FIGHT BEFORE THE BITE WAS MIKE WAS TOO FEROCIOUS ESPECIALLY WITH HIS LEFT. QUOTE.


    These statements were made in abook that appeared before any reconciliation between tyson and Holyfield

    Tyson isnt my Hero. Im more of a fan of Holyfield but it has become a trend to belittle Tyson and Roy Jones jr and certain things need to be stated.
     
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  9. Wass1985

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    I've seen the fight enough with my own eyes pal, I don't need to read some quotes in a book. By the way I've got that book, what page is all that on?

    I'll say it again, after the cut in the second round Tyson came out for his last hurrah and put in everything for the 3rd round and knew that Holyfield was going nowhere so he looked for the way out.
     
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    750/1144 onwards on my phone. "he was throwing alot of solid shots and getting out of the way of mine. Using all of his speed, power and wiles he got the upper hand, i had to step up my own game but Mike was too ferocious, especially with his left."
    The chapter is called "the weird part"
    "That Mike finally found his rythm made what happened next even more misterious"
    I agree Mike was desperate but i also believe that his chances were much better than he realized because he was clearly hitting Holyfield easier and getting hit less than the first time, and if you wont accept direct quotes from evander holyfield then we have to agree to disagree,
    You would have to be intentionally anti tyson to say that a faster, sharper, more elusive better conditioned tyson had no chance of winning the rematch if he had the confidence he had the first time. I never said he would have won for sure, I said he would have put up a great fight and maybe won a decision
     
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  11. Wass1985

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    This magical 3rd round is a myth, Tyson put in maximum effort but Holyfield was giving it all back and looked the stronger and dominant fighter in there. Tyson knew no matter what he threw at Holyfield he just wasn't budging him. He was desperate throughout the round and finally snapped when he knew Holyfield wasn't going to fold.
     
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    ok then
     
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