What if Wilder had come in around 215lbs?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by GotchaHat, Oct 13, 2021.

  1. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

    Jun 24, 2007
    Wilder is never gonna beat fury no matter what weight he is…. Fury is his kryptonite
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  2. don owens

    don owens Boxing Junkie Full Member

    May 5, 2005
    He can never beat Fury. Not in boxing, not in checkers, not in chess, not in life.
  3. Devon

    Devon Well-Known Member Full Member

    Dec 31, 2018
    Try to picture Wilder at 278lbs, I can't possibly form a picture in my mind of what that would look like
  4. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

    Dec 6, 2008
    He would be terrible at that weight.
  5. snake33

    snake33 Member Full Member

    Jan 4, 2010
    If, ifs and ands were pots and pans you'd never have to do the dishes.
    Wilder was going to lose one way or the other unless he connected with the right and he did and he still lost.
  6. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 "Jack sure can whack” banned Full Member

    Sep 22, 2021
    Okay I get your point. But If he could support 2000lbs on a fantasy bone structure he would be a literal giant.
  7. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 "Jack sure can whack” banned Full Member

    Sep 22, 2021
    The bench is useless for boxing maybe but real world strength?
    Wrestling is a whole lot easier from the top when you can press twice the opponents weight for reps.
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  8. Jackman65

    Jackman65 Oh yeah, FJB! Full Member

    Aug 31, 2019
    What if Wilder had fought legit opposition and worked to develop his skills as a boxer instead of fighting hand picked tomato cans to pad his record? He might have risked losing that zero on his record, he might not have had the long string of knockouts and all the hype that came with it but he would have probably become more of a complete boxer.

    Forget about the weight, he looked fine at the heavier weight. He can’t move his head, can’t fight when an opponent takes the fight to him, has horrible footwork, no defense, and relies on that big right hand way too much. It was bound to catch up with him sooner or later because he chose hype over substance. In the end, it bit him in the ass.

    Wilder looked to be in great shape in the third fight. He tried to jab and go to the body. Looked good in the first round but he eventually reverted back to what he was in all of his previous fights, a plodding one dimensional headhunter. You can’t learn boxing fundamentals at his age, 30+ fights into a pro career. I give him credit for trying but it was too late.
  9. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

    Apr 4, 2012
    The extra weight cost him some speed and drained his tank faster but it added tnt and helped him take more punishment. Over the piece I reckon it helped more than hindered so not a factor in the loss.
  10. MixedMartialLaw

    MixedMartialLaw New Member Full Member

    Jun 30, 2021
    Dumbbell benching is smarter and safer than barbell for an athlete (which is what Wilder was bragging about) if you are going to do it but overall yes.

    Even strong men competitors litteraly the strongest men in the world, focus more on shoulder presses than benching for upper body strength.

    I don't know enough about wrestling training to comment but Wilder thinking flat benching 350 with terrible form would do anything to develop the strength he needed is sad.
  11. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 "Jack sure can whack” banned Full Member

    Sep 22, 2021
    Dumbbell benching is not more or less safe I have been around athletes most of my life it is all form dependent if you do either for too long you get tweaks it's best to just mix up your grips and things like that to combat it and the barbell is much better for upper body strength.

    The reason strongman do more overhead pressing is because it is required for there contests where as benching is not.
    Though the overhead press is my preferred lift you just cannot make that claim also note plenty of strongman do benching to assist there pressing.

    I don't know why either. I thought he was just trying to add mass honestly but yeah benching was not going to do anything against Fury neither would overhead pressing or squatting he was going to be clobbered like we saw either way.
  12. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Feb 26, 2009
    I don't think Wilder could have done anything to offset Fury. He had 3 chances to win and did not, so what more can we say? He came in heavier and still lost the same way as the second fight. Fury is just better.
  13. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Apr 4, 2005
    What if he was 215lbs, what if he could box off the back foot, what if he had legs like Tua, what if instead of being a boxing simpleton he had learned to box correctly?

    Fact is he was very, very lucky to get away with a draw when lighter against the worst version of Fury we will probably see until he's old and shot. Wilder never beats Fury, don't care what weight he comes in at or how many times he fights him, he always gets beaten because he's simply not as good as Fury period.
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