What impeded Roy Jones from reaching megastardom?

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Don’t worry about me chief.

    Trust me, you’ve got more than enough to worry about regarding yourself.

    Your behaviour is psychotic.

    As for Joe Boxer, he must be a relation of yours. It would make perfect sense.

    Unfortunately, he won’t be here for long as he’ll be getting banned again soon. It’s looming. Tick tock. But if anyone misses him, they can be sure to find him on YouTube, where he’ll be happily hating on Roy from his ‘Roid Watch‘ channel.

    Ha!
     
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  2. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    He has you sussed little man. Haha.
     
  3. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Legend. It's funny seeing him make you squirm.
     
  4. Loudon

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    Squirm?

    Do me a favour.

    He doesn’t debate with anybody.

    He spews bile and then gets a ban.

    Like I’ve already said, if you want to see more, check out his YouTube channel.

    He’s actually got a dedicated channel called RoidWatch.

    He’s that ill he makes you look somewhat normal.
     
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  5. robert ungurean

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    He wasnt likable IMO. A show off. Couldnt stand him
     
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  6. mark ant

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    Toney looked nowhere near 222lbs in that ring.
     
  7. mark ant

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    Certainly.
     
  8. janitor

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    People will generally forgive a loss, if you are consistently fighting the best.
     
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  9. mark ant

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    Floyd wouldn`t be considered the best ever by pundits if he had lost and Roy losing to any of his opposition would have been a total disaster, b-hop wasn`t ranked in the top 10 P4P by the ring magazine when he fought Roy, a loss to b-hop back then would have damaged Roy`s rep badly and losing to Toney would have put him down where McCallum, Nunn and Toney`s other defeated foes were rated at that time.
     
  10. janitor

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    Sugar Ray Robinson lost a few, and it hasn't hurt his legacy.

    A fighter like Jones should go big!
     
  11. mark ant

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    Robinson lost to better fighters than Jones fought until he aged and lost to lesser figters, he also avenged those losses, Toney was the only fighter Roy beat that was as respected as the guys that beat a near prime Robi, b-hop wasn`t rated as high as the likes of LaMotta or Basilio when he fought Roy.
     
  12. janitor

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    I am going to suggest another way forward for Jones.

    He simply fights the abundant brilliant fighters of his era.

    He takes the losses, but his talent wins through more often than not!
     
  13. Chuck1052

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    Roy Jones, Jr. may been a very talented fighter, but his durability was found wanting. As to the fact that he never became a mega-star or a great drawing card like Sugar Ray Leonard, Oscar de la Hoya or even Floyd Mayweather, Jr., there was virtually no chance of it. He had an off-putting personality, a rather dull fighting style and seemed to be far too choosy about his opponents.

    Yes, the same thing could be said about Mayweather, but he was lucky in that he fought a number of very popular fighters, notably Oscar de la Hoya and Manny Pacquiao, resulting in some of their popularity rubbed off on him. Mayweather also has a colorful personality and lifestyle in addition to coming from a colorful and at times dysfunctional boxing family.

    - Chuck Johnston
     
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  14. some guy from mars

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    Am I out of line to suggest that one of the problems facing RJJ is that it took him close to five years to fight for a title following the 1988 Olympic (the fight for the IBB middleweight title occurred May of 1993). This might be an apples to oranges scenario, but contrast this with SRL who after winning Olympic Gold in 1976, vied for the welterweight title against Wilfred Benitez three years later in November of 1979.

    So what if RJJ followed the same three-year timeframe to fight for the middleweight title? Middleweight champions in late 1991 included Julian Jackson, James Toney and Gerald McClellan. Do we get RJJ vs Toney several years before it actually happened at MW? Or does RJJ take on big punchers in Jackson or McClellan?

    Another potential issue is that he failed to establish a legacy at middleweight, a weight class a bit more respected than Super Middleweight at which quickly ventured after defending the middleweight crown once. Problem is that after winning the MW title in May of 1993 against Bernard Hopkins, RJJ waits an entire year before defending at 160, against Thomas Tate. In between, he has three non-title fights against Thulani Malinga, Fermin Chirino and Danny Garcia.

    Optimal scenario is that after winning the MW crown in late 1991, he stays at 160 at least through 1994 and stays active in defending the title 8 to 9 times minimum. Perhaps in the process he has a couple more marquee matchups, or at the very least, we see him taking on Mike McCallum when both are closer to their prime skills.
     
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  15. Unforgiven

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    The only thing that would have greatly enhanced his legacy is if he'd moved to heavyweight in 1997 or 1998 as was mentioned at the time, and got a win against a Holyfield, Moorer or Tyson.
    Which would have been difficult, to put it mildly.

    But beating mediocre guys like Eubank, Benn or Otke or Collins would have done nothing for his standing.
    Beating Hopkins and Toney in rematches would have done nothing for him.

    Yeah, he fought weak opposition for years and should be rated accordingly, but most of these fighters being mentioned were quite mediocre too, despite the bizarre revisionism of this forum.
    Hopkins and Toney were decent fighters and he already beat them anyway. He was 15 pounds above Hopkins by 2001 also, but people are even suggesting beating Hopkins again at that point would have really mattered ??
    Toney, he already schooled, despite all these silly excuses, and Toney did nothing for years after. Pointless to go for these rematches.
     
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