What is a 'real' heavyweight

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  1. reckless

    reckless Active Member Full Member

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    Boxers like Holyfield, Haye have gone well over 200lbs but have been referred as blown up cruiserweights. They added genuine muscle mass and retained a similar amount of bodyfat as their cruiserweight days and both were able to knockout 'real' heavyweights.

    Surely if the 'real heavyweights' ate less and did less weight lifting there is no way they would weigh more than 200lbs. They have bulked themselves to be 220 - 250lbs through excess food and training.
    No one is that big without lots of food and resistance training.

    Vitali Klitschko was 90kg (200lbs) in his kickboxing days but he was never considered a blown up cruiserweight when he became a boxer.

    Even Muhammad Ali somehow avoided being called a blown up cruiserweight despite him taking the same route as Holyfield and Haye.

    So what exactly is a 'real' heavyweight? Is it having thicker bones?
     
  2. BCS8

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    Having a frame to go with the weight.
     
  3. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    Depends which era you're in.

    In Sullivan's to Fitzsimmonds' era you were a real heavyweight if you fought in the class called "heavyweight".
    In Louis' era you were a real heavyweight if you stepped in the ring well over 175lbs.
    Nowadays people call you a blown up cruiser when you come in under or about 220lbs.

    Holyfield became a "real heavyweight" by using growth hormone.
     
  4. Okin129

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    Haye was not a real heavyweight because he couldn't carry the weight effectively, the additional weight had mostly negative effects on him.

    A real heavyweight for example is Mike Tyson who was small in height but had heavy, thick bone structure and high bone density with a natural stocky build and thick neck, that's a real heavyweight.

    Or a tall rangy but not thick heavyweight like Deontay Wilder who is carrying the weight extremely well, being light
    on his feet and moving like a welterweight despite weighing 220 pounds.

    The most real heavyweights are at least 6'2 tall but there are exceptions of course.
     
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  5. andrewa1

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    Vitali was so skinny back then, it just didn't look right. No coincidence the only time he ever got kd/kod was when he was that thin (and it took a spinning back kick to do it)
     
  6. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A real heavyweight is a professional fighter that doesn't have to make a certain weight limit. That's really that. You can weigh 350 lbs and 150 technically, you're good to challenge for the HW title.
     
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  7. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    Holyfield was the worst ped cheat of all time. And people point at Povetkin...

    A modern day top 10 HW are 250 pounds+
     
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  8. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    Wilder is a blown up cruiser. Just went thru his resume amateur and pro.
     
  9. Okin129

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    One of the most absurd claims i have ever heard.

    Know his amateur resume, know that he was fighting at 200 pounds but you have clearly lost your mind if you
    really believe Wilder is not a legit heavyweight.
     
  10. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    Without peds Wilder is somewere between 200-215

    With modern day dehydration/rehydrations routines he could still fightvat cruiserweight without a problem. Just check his weight. 215 is nothing. 250 wont make cruiserweight due.
     
  11. Okin129

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    250 is super heavyweight.

    The question of the OP was what is a real heavyweight and Wilder is a fully fledged heavyweight fighting over 220 pounds almost every fight in the last 5 years.

    Based on your opinion every fighter under 230 pounds is not a real heavyweight ?
     
  12. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    Not by modern standard.

    Huge cruisers/sub heavyweights/blown up cruisers/tweeners:

    Povetkin
    Haye.
    Wilder.
    Adamek.
    Usyk.
    Gassiev.
    Cunningham.

    etc.
     
  13. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Exactly like what it seems. Some bull**** folks pull out of their ass when they have no real point to make backed by a weak understanding of history and little to no understanding of general physics or kinesiology.
     
  14. reckless

    reckless Active Member Full Member

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    Tyson was definitely on roids. I’ve never seen a 5’10 220lb boxer with very little body fat. Before you say he was a genetic monster and weighed 200lbs when he was 14, he said he was a fat kid and if you look at pics of him when he first started working with Cus he looked nowhere near 200lbs.
     
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  15. Heisenberg

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    I hate seeing ‘real’ heavyweights using the division as an excuse to come in carrying too much body fat and being out of condition. Sadly three quarters of the division are at least 15-25lbs too heavy for their frame, especially as ‘professional athletes’.