What is a realistic "p4p atg top 10" in your oppinion?

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  1. Chempasillo

    Chempasillo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    old schoolers often have it around like this...

    1. Sugar Ray Robinson
    2. Henry Armstrong
    3. Muhammad Ali
    4. Joe Louis
    5. Jack Johnson

    6. Sam Langford
    7. Harry Greb
    8. Willie Pepp
    9. Roberto Duran
    10. Benny Leonard


    this would mean none of the generation now fighters and those before would be as good as them fighters way back than, which is total :patsch to me. because sure mentality wise old school boxers might be as or even tougher as them boxers today, but boxers became more athletic, have better ways to train, take regime and that is fact.

    so being realistic and not looking at them huge records with 200 + fight from old time legends, whoch fought 150 of those fights against guys who had 5 wins 15 losses and 2 draws :lol:, what is yur oppinion about sugar ray leonard, floyd mayweather jr, roy jones jr, manny pacquiao, thomas hearns or mike tyson. realy no love and no place around the top 10 for any of those. joe louis would beat tyson, same weight, same size easily, you believe that? or are p4p lists only about record and you have to had more than 150 fights to be called an top 10 atg....
     
  2. tliang1000

    tliang1000 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    people are wow with big record. And also they are parrots and repeat what they hear and they think they are cool but saying the same thing thinking they know something.
     
  3. J_Grizzy

    J_Grizzy Active Member Full Member

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    I agree partially with what your saying (particularly the advancements fighters have made in athleticism nowadays) but that isn't the reason why people generally place old school fighters above more modern fighters. P4P from a historical standpoint is based largely on resume, especially since alot of film doesn't exist for several fighters prior to about the mid 1950's and, without a doubt, old school fighters fought more quality opposition over their careers.
     
  4. tliang1000

    tliang1000 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Most boxers back then doesn't have an amatuer career which is why the big record. Also their pay per fights were not good either so they will fight instead of sparring which is why they fought so many bums and then against a good fighter.
     
  5. alakran

    alakran Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree taht some people are amazed by a record of a 100+ fights but as for athletically you have a heavyweight division that is full of fat slobs other than maybe the top 5.
    Most boxers now cant go the whole 12 rounds without taking a break there is very few boxrs taht can do that
     
  6. bodyheadic

    bodyheadic Well-Known Member Full Member

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    1. Sugar Ray Robinson
    2. Henry Armstrong
    3. Muhammad Ali
    4. Harry Greb
    5. Joe Louis
    6. Sam Langford
    7. Roberto Duran
    8. Benny Leonard
    9. Ray Leonard
    10. Ezzard Charles

    Something like that. Pep and Walker could even be mentioned. I also have a soft spot for Whitaker, he was such a great and dominant fighter in several weights. But politics in boxing nowadays will make it hard for boxers to take on all comers like they did back then, even when the colour line wasn't always being drawn.
     
  7. devon

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    100 percent agree great post :happy

    most people think old fighters are better than new fighters automatically. While i don't doubt that they are great most of the reason that people think they are so great is because that's what everyone else thinks. Not a lot people actually have their own opinions.
     
  8. J_Grizzy

    J_Grizzy Active Member Full Member

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    But there is no way to appropriately judge this... P4P from a historical perspective is about accomplishment more than anything as opposed to a P4P list created for current fighters (where past accomplishments mean less, current wins mean more). H2H yes, there are lots of fighters in the last 30 years that would beat or seriously trouble fighters from the past 50-70 years but that's not necessarily what historical P4P ATG lists determine.
     
  9. devon

    devon Guest

    The problem with this is that people just look at old fighters and see that they had over a hundred fights and that they beat a ton of HOFs without actually looking at who they fought.
     
  10. dodong

    dodong >>PACQUIAO Full Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DajJMMcF5S0[/ame]

    Joe Goossen's take on this topic.
     
  11. benebox

    benebox Active Member Full Member

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    Good until number 4, infact just a **** list
     
  12. devon

    devon Guest

    What is your problem with it
     
  13. kwilson71

    kwilson71 #MAYDAY Full Member

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    You make a great point

    Boxers from the old days might have been tougher or had more heart, I'll give them that. But faster? stronger? smarter in the ring? sorry no. Athletes have gotten better over the years what makes boxers the exception? Are they better boxers? There is no way to accurately determine that head to head, there are some great champs from the past who would fight today and still whoop ass, but there are also champs today who would kick ass in those other eras as well.

    I respect those ATGs but I just hate when they get overrated, like they were super human and nobody from the current era could ever beat them.

    As far as your list, your right it seems like fighters today will never have a chance to crack the top 10 p4p. Not because there not good enough,but because some fans just wont let them.
     
  14. Cellz831

    Cellz831 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    agreed. seems like there are NO modern fighters or even fighters from the 90's get a chance to win a fantasy fight nor have a chance to get rated among them. it aint fair. :bart
     
  15. Hands of Iron

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    A number of posters in classic picked Floyd to beat Benny Leonard at Lightweight. :thumbsup

    And what the **** is up with that avi? :rofl